He's in trouble next season now that Mourinho is joining.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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He was on the pitch at the end of the game.
Any pics of him celebrating with the squad or anything?
Doesn't look disgruntled or pissed off here. Seems absolutely delighted for Lingard.Tweet
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Hopefully he gets a chance next season. I do think having a competent LB will help him especially when cutting inside. Hes not as fast as Martial, but I actually think hes got a better shot on him. Think his confidence was drained from him this season, but hopefully a good pre-season helps him out.
Reckon he's the type that needs to be inspired, because he looked fecking uninspired on the pitch at times this season. Have a feeling Mourinho's the type get his blood pumping, really hope he has a good 16/17 season.
I think he's been mis-managed this season. Yes he's a flash little shite, but he's a bloomin talented one. I feel he lost his place, was isolated, benched, never given a shot to redeem himself and as a result his confidence went down the pan. Your not going to improve from the stands. This is a 21 year old kid that was the Dutch top scorer two years ago. This is the Premier League, a significant step up in quality, yes he's going to be inconsistent, yes he's going to frustrate, yes he's going to make mistakes but let him, it's called development. I don't rate how he's been chastised by the fans this year at all. Hopefully he gets given a chance to prove himself next season, I don't think Van Gaal gave him the opportunity.
Rubbish. Van Gaal started him plenty for the three months of the season and he showed absolutely nothing aside from a couple of good performance against Brugge who were abysmal. When he has played since then he has been awful and a complete liability. There hasn't been inconsistency. He has been consistently one of our worst players.
It was unfair to drop Young for Memphis early in the season, when he got plenty of chances. As season progressed, van Gaal even shifted Martial to the right wing to make place for Depay, who isn't capable of playing anywhere else it seems.
Sorry but blaming manager for not giving him chances is absolutely wrong. He shouldn't be anywhere near the squad IMO.
Played him plenty for three months...that makes no sense. The season runs over 10. Again, he's a 21 year old kid that's just moved to a new league, the most competitive and hardest league in the world at that. What was you expecting, a world beater? No he hasn't been great this year, he's had horrendous performances alongside a couple very good ones but as I said I don't know how we expect him to improve from the stands. I hope he's given the chance to prove people wrong and show his capabilities next season, the boy has bags of talent but it's up to him to unearth it. I just don't feel giving a youngster a year to set the Premier League alight is realistic or fair.
A player with any discernible qualities apart from the ability to shoot adaquately when allowed to run towards goal unchallenged.
He has the Mourinho loan with option to sell written all over him.
He has more starts and more minutes than Ronaldo did in his first season. Sorry but to suggest he hasn't had chances is patently rubbish. He's got more chances than his performances have merited.
This is what I mean, early in the season. He landed in Manchester in June and because he didn't immediately adjust to the Premiership he seems to have been instantly written off. Don't get me wrong, you need to earn your place, and Memphis is no different. I'm not saying he should be a starter right now at all, he shouldn't, but the kid has barely kicked a football the best part of 2016. He's not going to improve if not playing and not gaining the experience required to be a success in the league. Perhaps saying Van Gaal hasn't given him any opportunity was slighly wrong, but in my opinion he hasn't given him enough. Giving him a couple months at the beginning of the season isn't significant enough for him to adjust. Just my opinion however. I hope he gets given another year to pull his socks up, get his head down and show the talent he has. He has a lot of work to do however.
He had three months to do anything that justified the hype around him which was plenty. He never once made an impression in the PL and Van Gaal rightly dropped him. What did you expect him to do? Play with effectively ten men for the entire season? After that he still had regular appearances on the pitch and still his performances didn't improve. I didn't expect him to be amazing but he has been so bad and I honestly don't really any of his supposed talent. Nani was inconsistent but you could see his talent, Depay isn't even close to that level.
He's not the first player who was surrounded by hype to come to the league and not carry on as previously shown. We've just finished 5th in the league, the whole team barring a few obvious exceptions have generally been bad. We've been abysmal as a whole. By all means no player should be starting if they are not merited and I don't feel Memphis should be given special treatment, but I have to disagree with you regarding not being able to see his talent. When we signed him last year his talent and potential was unquestionable and everyone was excited about seeing him fulfil it. After one bad year that hasn't changed for me. It took Nani until he was 25-26 to finally do something with his talent, why write off Memphis at 21? Granted he's had a bad start to his United career, but I don't see how isolating him will help the situation. He's clearly short on confidence, and when that happens nothing you try comes off. Give him another year, let him get the chance to redeem himself, if it doesn't work out....well we just Di Maria it I guess.
I'm not writing him off and I don't want the club to sell him as I'd like to see him play in a functioning team. Just disagreed with your statement that he didn't have opportunities this season.
It's utopia- impossible to give every young player a lot of playing time throughout the season. Like it or not, for club like ours either you show you're worth investing in or not. For me Januzaj and Pereira should be ahead of Memphis because I actually see a talent in them. Depay looks bang average, plus I'd question his attitude on the pitch.
The point is how do you rate our youngsters, but considering Memphis can only play one position I'd say get rid.
Spot on.
People writing him off and yet Januzaj should be playing and he's been far worse. Double standards everywhere in this place.
I'm not defending Januzaj but he has shown far more at United than Depay.
His poor season is on him. The LW spot is the one area where whoever played there whether it was Martial, Memphis, Lingard or Young got the freedom to take a man on and play attacking football. You can't use the LvG handcuffed them excuse for Memphis. He just wasn't good enough. Fortunately he's still young and has time on his side to improve.
The boy has a lot of work ahead of him if he wants to be a part of a Mourinho team.
No, same as you, and as i suspect you have nothing to do with football professionally. Does not exactly mean you can't judge whether a team or a certain footballer plays good or bad.
So it's kind of stupid remark really. And with a case like Depay not only does it not take a professional to pinpoint his problems, it does not take like anyone at all really. I mean most United fans would agree the guy has sever lack of discipline, dedication and professionalism.
Memphis has played 2,464 minutes this season, that is the 11th most in the squad. He has been shit against Premier League opposition and it sure as shit isn't because he wasn't given a chance. Andreas' 371 minutes and Adnan's 261 minutes are not chances, being the 11th most played player in the squad is being given a chance.
Half or more than half of those minutes were at the beginning of the season when he was actually doing well. He was scoring back then. Its the last 6 months or so where he hasn't played enough or been using primarily as a sub.
He wasn't scoring back then and he wasn't doing well outside of poor European competition where he continued to get to play in later in the season against Midtjylland. Outside of Watford away and maybe 1 or 2 other games he hasn't performed well against Premier League opposition at the beginning or the end of the season.
Since the start of February he has played 850 minutes, your last 6 months so start of December is 1270 minutes. That is more than half of his playing time in the last 6 months. His playing time since February is only about 10% proportionally less than would have been expected averaging his playing time across the season. He has played more since February than Adnan and Andreas have combined all season.
So, no I will not accept that the 11th most played player in the squad can use the lack of playing time as an excuse.
Wait I wasn't complaining about his lack of playing time. I never used that as an argument. The only thing I did say was he started pre-season and the regular season brightly continuing his form from the season before. But as we started to struggle from end of November onwards, his struggles doubled as well. That coupled with the fact that Shaw was injured and the constant chopping and changing of players and formation didn't help as well. So what I am saying lets not be quick to judge him. No one did well this year except three to four players. So lets give him and everyone else like Morgan and Bastian another season before we judge them.
You said in the last 6 months or so he hasn't played enough. Sounds like complaining about a lack of playing time to me.
I never said anything about getting rid of him and I want him to stay next season. I am just against the excuse, which has been used by posters on the last few pages and other threads, that he hasn't gotten enough playing time or a run of games because it is simply untrue.
Sorry, I did few years of youth coaching so once again you have just continued in the same frame. You said, that he was extremely unprofessional and uncommitted. Unless you are his coach or you know him personally, how can you tell? Unless you are a sports psychologist which I asked in all seriousness but instead you just come out all guns blazing aimlessly.
While I was coaching, we were always told to remember that players are human beings too and many struggle with confidence issues aside from lack of physical, technical and tactical ability. I did most of my training is strength and conditioning with some tactical coaching and I have seen a lot of young players give their everything in the gym, individually and with the team but still struggle to apply themselves on the pitch. I would not say that it was extremely unprofessional and uncommitted, which is extremely harsh unless you know the player or work with him. To say he has a severe lack of discipline, dedication and professionalism is just ridiculous when you are limited to what you see on TV or live.
He's been poor, fine. He's been crap, fine. It hasn't worked out for him, fine. But you cannot say that he unprofessional. I hope you are not one of those that think fancy cars and clothes make a player unprofessional.
So does this suggest you know nothing about senior football?
Well if you've asked why i thought so, how could i tell etc i would have responded "seriously", but you asked a very ridiculous question. The question is actually more stupid if you think about it because even i was a world renowned sports psychologist, it would not mean i had sessions wih Depay and/or know him personally.
As for why i think so. For example we can take Lingard. Maybe even not the one in the second half of the season when he raised his game but before that. When given a chance, he tried, skill and talent is something you don't necessarily control, but work-rate is. In most of his games, esp when he was subbed on Depay's one was literally non-existed. In other instances he simply lacked concentration, like against Chelsea at OT. Again something that directly tied to one's determination and desire rather than a natural skill. And there is his tantrums, like the one he had before FA Cup final. If Depay was completely different and committed in training, LVG would not have dropped him. Moreover it's likely to manifest on the pitch as well. We can look at Fellaini, for all his shortcomings his commitment, his diligence could not be faulted. He had bad first half of the season with only some good games, was bad during winter, but he worked and worked and because of that he was given more chance and he was fine in the closing stages.
No but falling out with the manager on the eve of Cup Final kinda does.
it is going to be hard for him, unless somehow miraculously he improve with his form. he was signed as a LWF but LVG somehow tried him as a no.10 during pre season but started him on the wing for the first game of the season. and now the position is martial's to lose and i just could not see a way for memphis to get ahead of martial now. could not think of another position for him as well. playing on the right limited his chance of cutting inside, and he is not a CF.
Lets see what he does under new manager. The next season will be the real test to know if he has any kind of zeal to become a star on the pitch or his stardom ends with driving around in costly cars.
Anyways, is he is competing with Martial, he has little chance.
But every season is a new season, where old heroes might not go ahead and old villians become new heroes. Let's see how it goes.
Anyways, is he is competing with Martial, he has little chance.
But every season is a new season, where old heroes might not go ahead and old villians become new heroes. Let's see how it goes.
You are still recycling the same thing. You know nothing beyond what everyone sees on the pitch and what you hear in the media. If you can not differentiate being unprofessional and lacking concentration or ability, good for you.
He mentions the FA cup and how he wasn't in it. Doesn't seem to complain much about it.
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That's just video to gloat about the resort he is staying at.do you not think Martial will be moved to a central position in the near future - bit like Henry. That would open up the position for Memphis. Not given up on the kid yet. Might thrive under a different manager.
Do you want LvG's postcode, buddy?
I am pretty sure we wiLl be buying more attackes who will be instantly ahead of Memphis.
@Adisa most likely yes, but i still think with the right manager and work his butt off he can become what we were hoping for. Can't give up on a 21 year old player after just one season
Don't think LVG was the right manager for him after all. He needs somebody who can build him up and give him belief, rather than the tough love LVG effect.
Memphis was at his best in Holland when breaking with pace. Defenders in the EPL are faster and stronger, but it's not a stretch that he'd do better under Mourinho. His former club always played this way too. If he can beat defenders on the break, he's a good option off the bench and can build towards more.
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