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He played kind of OK in two international games so now he is shite. This is how it works.

That said, I do believe Modric to be the best CM about at the moment.
He's definitely one of the best. Pogba is still too inconsistent to be at that level.

Pogba has the potential to be the best player in the world never mind the best CM.

Whether or not he fulfills that time can only tell.
 
Posts like the one you quoted are usually in response to some posters calling pogba the best CM in the world. You're right in saying pogba has a very different role to modric but when people talk in general about CMs and don't go deeper by classifying them into categories, he will inevitably be compared to them.
Well it's a clusterfeck of nonsense, whichever way it's looked at and it's one of the reasons why these Pogba threads invariably go down the toilet in circular arguments ad nauseum.
 
Well it's a clusterfeck of nonsense, whichever way it's looked at and it's one of the reasons why these Pogba threads invariably go down the toilet in circular arguments ad nauseum.
This pogba thread is quite different to the old one which just went on and on about the reasons why he left and how badly we fecked up. This one isn't half as bad, there are the odd over the top posts but that's the case in most threads. As I said, if someone calls him the best CM in the world, it will be pointed out as nonsense. No one's going to bother classifying CMs into their roles and then taking it from there.
 
He's definitely one of the best. Pogba is still too inconsistent to be at that level.

Pogba has the potential to be the best player in the world never mind the best CM.

Whether or not he fulfills that time can only tell.

Modric is 30 and at his absolute peak. Pogba is 23 so still not the finished article. At 23 Modric had just joined Spurs. He was very good in the Premier League but never considered among the best in world in his position in his four years at Spurs. He was never voted into the PFA team of the year by his fellow pros and there were plenty of United fan naysayers every time we were linked with him, for example.
 
This pogba thread is quite different to the old one which just went on and on about the reasons why he left and how badly we fecked up. This one isn't half as bad, there are the odd over the top posts but that's the case in most threads. As I said, if someone calls him the best CM in the world, it will be pointed out as nonsense. No one's going to bother classifying CMs into their roles and then taking it from there.
Agreed. This thread isn't actually that bad. There's not even that much nonsense here and it wouldn't be a forum if there wasn't a regular doze of that in every thread.
 
He played kind of OK in two international games so now he is shite. This is how it works.

That said, I do believe Modric to be the best CM about at the moment.
A bit of knee jerk reaction is always the case in these player performance threads. See how De Bruyne was called average by a few in his thread after one poor game. But like I've said, you'll get a few over the top comments in every players thread. Every single poster cant be rational.
 
If people constantly persist in comparing Pogba to midfielders who have got next to nothing to do with what he does, he is going to 'lose' every single time. Essentially, people are creating strawmen and then knocking them down and saying 'told you so' as if they've offered any objectivity at all.

Modric, Verratti, Koké and so on are not players that should be compared to Pogba, and the fact people either wilfully ignore that or don't ackowledge that highlights why this thread is all over the place and just looks like a free for all to pan Pogba for not being the same type of midfielder as the aforementioned. Pogba would play alongside, or most likely, further up the field with all of these players, not instead of them, and only Koké would have a prayer of affecting a game high up the pitch in anything like the manner Pogba is expected to do.

To further illustrate the point, Pogba has more goals in the 2015/2016 domestic season than the 3 players mentioned above, combined, that either makes them deficient in a key aspect, or, it means they do a different job on a football pitch to what Pogba is expected to do.

If you compare players to type, you get to see what they are, or are not, made of. Otherwise, you're just picking favourites in a skewed environment; pit Pogba against the correct type of midfielder and a fair assessment can be made.

He's not the best midfielder of his type, not by a distance, imo, as he has some way to go to round out his flaws and improve his consistency, but he is being written off so readily, you'd swear he was some run-of-the-mill player, which he clearly is not.

Pogba should be compared to Yaya Touré and he could be as good as Touré in his prime which is a very high level but because of his weaknesses Touré have never been close to be the best midfielder, attacking midfielder or Player in the world. Personally I think that Pogba is going to follow the same path, he is going to develop into a world class player but not the best player or midfielder in the world.
 
He's a bit of a Nani atm. All the talent in the world, always capable of moments to win the game, still needs to learn how to control a game for 90 minutes. I'm sure it will come though if he stays fit and keeps working hard.
 
This pogba thread is quite different to the old one which just went on and on about the reasons why he left and how badly we fecked up. This one isn't half as bad, there are the odd over the top posts but that's the case in most threads. As I said, if someone calls him the best CM in the world, it will be pointed out as nonsense. No one's going to bother classifying CMs into their roles and then taking it from there.
That should be the basis of any objective discussion, otherwise it's pointless. Just a set of strawmen being knocked down like skittles.
 
Pogba should be compared to Yaya Touré and he could be as good as Touré in his prime which is a very high level but because of his weaknesses Touré have never been close to be the best midfielder, attacking midfielder or Player in the world. Personally I think that Pogba is going to follow the same path, he is going to develop into a world class player but not the best player or midfielder in the world.

Difference is he's a lot better stamina than Touré, and a higher workrate. Maybe slightly pacier too. He ought to go on to be the better player but he's still a way to go.
 
Pogba should be compared to Yaya Touré and he could be as good as Touré in his prime which is a very high level but because of his weaknesses Touré have never been close to be the best midfielder, attacking midfielder or Player in the world. Personally I think that Pogba is going to follow the same path, he is going to develop into a world class player but not the best player or midfielder in the world.
Yes Yaya and the like are what he should be compared to, not controlling midfielders who sit deeper and have a completely different role in a team.

Pogba's potential is through the roof and it will be intriguing to see what he ends up doing with it.
 
I rate Pogba pretty highly and was gutted when he left but buying him back wouldn't be good use of the budget. Could possibly get two quality players for that same amount. Would actually put in a cheeky bid for Thiago and throw in Mata or Herrera into the mix for Bayern to consider. Would be cheaper and he's a flair player too
Has Thiago played well for Bayern ever since he moved? Seems like there has;t been much news about him.
 
Pogba should be compared to Yaya Touré and he could be as good as Touré in his prime which is a very high level but because of his weaknesses Touré have never been close to be the best midfielder, attacking midfielder or Player in the world. Personally I think that Pogba is going to follow the same path, he is going to develop into a world class player but not the best player or midfielder in the world.
A fitter Yaya is possibly the best midfielder in the world though.
 
It's tough, because he's great at what he does, but a lot of that is tricks and long passes. That's great when you're being creative and all, but if it were possible, I'd prefer a player more in the Scholes mould for our proper MF position, someone who can run the game from there like Iniesta, Kroos, Modric etc.

He's a great player though, and I don't think any of the above are available at any price. Ironically though, the team with Kroos, Modric (and Isco) in their existing team, seem to want Pogba. Perhaps we could persuade them to give us one of theirs once they sign him? ;)
 
Difference is he's a lot better stamina than Touré, and a higher workrate. Maybe slightly pacier too. He ought to go on to be the better player but he's still a way to go.

Not really, go watch young Yaya Touré, stamina, workrate and pace weren't a problem.
 
He's a bit of a Nani atm. All the talent in the world, always capable of moments to win the game, still needs to learn how to control a game for 90 minutes. I'm sure it will come though if he stays fit and keeps working hard.
No one player can control a game on his own. This is spouted in every single thread yet it's complete nonsense. A team can control a game from start to finish, and to do that, every player needs to perform to a high level.
Have a look at Barcelona over the years, they have managed to dictate the pace and control most of their matches. Their midfield trio all have to perform to be able to do that. It isn't Xavi by himself, or Iniesta or Busquets. For us, Scholes didn't control games on his own either yet I hear that a lot. It's a team effort.
 
No one player can control a game on his own. This is spouted in every single thread yet it's complete nonsense. A team can control a game from start to finish, and to do that, every player needs to perform to a high level.
Have a look at Barcelona over the years, they have managed to dictate the pace and control most of their matches. Their midfield trio all have to perform to be able to do that. It isn't Xavi by himself, or Iniesta or Busquets. For us, Scholes didn't control games on his own either yet I hear that a lot. It's a team effort.

Gerrard couldn't control a game. Scholes, Keane, Pirlo, Xavi, Iniesta, Alonso etc can / could. Atm Pogba plays more like Gerrard but there's no reason why he can't change that with the right coaching and application.
 
A fitter Yaya is possibly the best midfielder in the world though.

No, it's not. For top teams the best midfielders are the ones that can control the tempo of the game. Yaya Touré and Pogba are only great if their teammates control the midfield otherwise they add to the general mess.
 
No one player can control a game on his own. This is spouted in every single thread yet it's complete nonsense. A team can control a game from start to finish, and to do that, every player needs to perform to a high level.
Have a look at Barcelona over the years, they have managed to dictate the pace and control most of their matches. Their midfield trio all have to perform to be able to do that. It isn't Xavi by himself, or Iniesta or Busquets. For us, Scholes didn't control games on his own either yet I hear that a lot. It's a team effort.

And Barcelona got rid of Yaya Touré.
 
That should be the basis of any objective discussion, otherwise it's pointless. Just a set of strawmen being knocked down like skittles.
Yes, but if you start with he's the best CM in the world, you start off with the wrong foot and it will be pointed out as such. If you want to compare him with players of his ilk, do so, instead of saying he's simply the best CM around.
 
No, it's not. For top teams the best midfielders are the ones that can control the tempo of the game. Yaya Touré and Pogba are only great if their teammates control the midfield otherwise they add to the general mess.

I dunno about that, he might have played a bit within himself at Barca but Touré showed he could play a team game. It's just that he couldn't often come up with the magic to win games playing like that. I reckon Pogba might be capable of putting the two together. Remains to be seen.
 
I dunno about that, he might have played a bit within himself at Barca but Touré showed he could play a team game. It's just that he couldn't often come up with the magic to win games playing like that. I reckon Pogba might be capable of putting the two together. Remains to be seen.

Obviously they can play a team game, they are both really good players but we are talking about the absolute top level.
 
His narrative suits a strange caf tendency. If you don't think that a player is the best, you hate him or if he isn't the best, he is shite.
I personally don't see any reason for disliking Pogba. He felt he was a special talent that deserved to be treated so - like Rooney, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Messi - were. And he's proven to be correct. Good on him.
Both absolutely spot the feck on.

Because you don't think he's worth a world record fee or the best mid in the world, we're all Pogba haters!

I actually haven't seen anyone doubt his talent.

Seriously. Wtf.
 
If the plan is to play an orthodox three man midfield, with two players to cover him, Pogba will be a great buy. If we have a Matuidi and a Kante or a Khedira and Marchisio, which will free him up, he could be every bit as effective for us as Lampard was for Mou's Chelsea. I worry though, if Mou uses Rooney as a #10, that Pogba's tendency to focus on attacking might leave us overextended as times. We've seen the same with Yaya Toure at City, especially in Europe. Pogba's many things but, as Rio and Henry discussed before the Switzerland vs France game, he's not Viera mark 2. Nor will he be unless he really wants to shift the emphasis of his game away from attacking.
 
Playing well tonight, personally I'd have him back at United, couldn't give a feck what he costs.
 
Is he really good enough to command a world record fee? Not for me, plays in patches which has been the case everything I've seen him

Happy to get him for £60m though
 
Is he really good enough to command a world record fee? Not for me, plays in patches which has been the case everything I've seen him

Happy to get him for £60m though

Aye, 60mill type talent, at the 80-100mill Juve are asking i'd leave well alone, personally.
 
He looks like a beast out there, determined to silence his critics. The best player on the pitch, i would give my left nut to have him, but sadly he is the kind of signing only Madrid and Barca make. :(
 
I would happily pay 60-70m Sterling for this guy, he is a dominant midfielder and he is still quite young. But I'm afraid he is more tempted by Real and also that Real can spend more money than us as they have shown with Bale and Ronaldo.