24 starts, 12 sub appearances, 5 goals, 3 assists.
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Not sure I said anything other than fans have agenda's. The rest is down to opinion which incidentally I don't agree with.
He's a fringe squad player that should be replaced if another academy player takes his place. Not going to complain about him because he's not better than expensive star players.
Agenda of what, I don't want him anywhere near the team because I think he's a poor player, that's it, hopefully he'll prove me wrong now he's got a new contract, but won't be holding my breath.
Ah I was wondering when the ouel 'agenda' line would get rolled out. Another one of a long list of bizarre ways to excuse poor performing players.
I have tried to be more upbeat with this guy lately but yet again he comes up with another poor performance. I'm really shocked a manager who has won so much in the game and should know better is so loyal to a really sub par player. 5 or 6 good games a season isn't good enough for a Manchester United player, or maybe that is the new standard and why we are miles behind the top teams. I like to see local lads playing in the team but he just isn't good enough. While he starts for this team we won't be anywhere near winning any major trophy, simple as that.
How many times are you going to use this excuse for him this season? You have used it nearly every time he has a bad game. Laughable. I understand people have more loyalty to their favourite players then others but come on this is just delusion at this point.
He's not even my favorite player. I just know knee jerk agenda posting when I see it. The overall team performance was at fault - mainly due to exhaustion/fatigue and injuries - not one player.
OK. So in the last 4 games do you honestly believe he has played well? If you do then that borders on delusion. There is no doubt we have looked tired the last 2 games but Lingard was fresh going in to the weekend so that's even worse from his point of view.
Absolutely no one blamed "one player". I think I posted in 3/4 different player threads yesterday that 'x' player played poor. What's the point of 'player performance threads' if we can't criticise an individuals performance after a game like the shit show that was served up yesterday? Lingard is 24, it's about time people stopped blindly defending him and showed at least a semblance of objectivity.
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He'll probably be Kieran Richardson level when he peaks. He does work hard and has pace. If we had more match winners in the team then we'd win more games which would take the spotlight from Lingard on how average he is and the focus would shift to how hard he works for the team. He'll defo be a little better next season.
So what? He hasn't scored 3 goals at Wembley like Lingard has.
Cleverley, Anderson, Fletcher and Carrick was an abysmal midfield. Only Ferguson could win the Premier League with a midfield like that.
I have noticed this, that some caftards think players get singled out with criticism when talked about in their respective performance threads. I mean this is the point of them right ?
Lingard Carrick Herrera and Fellaini matched up with that 4 is worse only Pogba is a standout. Fletcher and Carrick back then would walk in to our midfield today.
Yeah it's a strange new phenomena alright. I mean usually after a performance like that tripe that was served up on Sunday, the majority of players will receive criticism in their respective threads. Yet some posters will take personal offence to certain players being criticised and imply that it's solely them receiving criticism, which isn't true at all.
@Jaybomb do you think for an attacker at United it is acceptable to have scored 1 league goal this season? We have two kids in Rashford and Martial who blow hot and cold (understandably) and a 24 year old who's record and overall play (he runs about a lot ok) is well short. Is it any wonder we draw this many games and miss so many chances? We are now toiling when our main goal threats in Zlatan and Mata are out injured. Jesse is a likeable lad but his output is masked by his 3 Wembley goals and the fact he's homegrown when in reality he comes up well short in virtually every aspect of his play.
He's been utter dog toffee since signing his new contract. I hope we will see a more consistent Lingard next season or I fear he will never match our expectations of a player on 100k a week.
People forget how inexperienced he is at firs team EPL level. They wrongly equate his age to his experience. He is simply older than Martial and Rashford. Not more experienced first team wise. So it should come as no surprise he is just as inconsistent as they.
Such twisting of logic here to justify the inherent prejudice behind some people's posts! 'Agenda' happens when a player is berated by identifiable few irrespective of whether he had played well or not. A conclusion is reached at the beginning itself, going along lines like 'not United quality', 'not fit to be a squad player', 'because of him my favourite player x or y is not getting enough playing time' and everything just flows from there. I don't think these posters even watch matches!
The funniest thing is most that blindly defend him then proceed to slag off the likes of Martial and Mkhitaryan at very given opportunity. Agendas galore and such twisted logic. People having all these 'favourite players' is really affecting any objectivity in a lot of threads.
Absolutely. Carrick and Fletcher were outstanding players at their peak and would have got in any United team in the past 15 years. Anderson too at his absolute best and at peak fitness was a terrific player. Cleverley less so and his level is way below what United should aspire to.
Pity that lasted all of 18 months.
He's pretty woeful beyond being fast. He's not bad on the ball by any means, but he doesn't really offer anything beyond penetration. He's a calm finisher I'll give him that but he's next to zero actual threat from the right. He's ok as a squad option but the right wing badly needs upgrading in the summer, and has done since Valencia went sour if we're honest.
I actually think his finishing is wildly erratic. The thing is, he's scored some really nice goals but misses a-lot of the easier chances which is quite strange. I remember Robbie Keane early in his career would score some beauties and miss the easier chances. I'm starting to think his pace is also overrated; I never find him particularly fast when he is moving with the ball at his feet. Maybe he has got good pace, but he certainly doesn't utilise it nearly enough or maybe he struggles to use it with the ball at his feet.
Right now, his best attribute is finding little pockets of space and getting into good positions which unfortunately doesn't nearly warrant him starting.
He was pretty sloppy against Swansea, the team is all out of shape. I am not sure when he fits in yet, time will tell. The club have made the investment in him and he needs to come to the fore.
It has to be said that his finishing still needs a lot of work. Unless he starts converting his chances, there is no chance of him being a regular first teamer. But of course the same can be said of Rashford and Martial.
This is his 4th season at senior level. At 24 most players are in their 4th-6th senior season Lingard's no different. He missed a bit of football with his injury a few years back granted but he's still played well over 100 senior games.
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77 games on proper level, that's around half the games Martial had in his career...and 10 more then Rashford. So the poster was right
So basically he wasn't good enough to break into the first team when he was younger. Hardly a valid excuse as to why he looks so bloody average at 24 years of age.
Different players develop different. Some peak at 20 like Rooney, some peak at 35 like Ibrahimovic. You can derive absolutely nothing from when a player started to perform on a very high level.
Still can't believe we paid him 100k a week. Who the hell is going to match that when we try and get rid?
I think he sleeps during games, never constant and unfortunately these kinds of players never improve and also we pay him a really good money, why? because he is club product? English? screw that he dosent deserve to play for Manchester United.
Well you kind of can, to be honest. Bar the odd exception, most talented players are playing at a pretty good level by 20/21 and are definitely showing promise and some semblance of consistency by 24 years of age. On Ibra, wtf? How has he 'peaked' now exactly? Did you only start watching football this season?
Which Lingard obviously is.
Also I find this idea people seem to hold that it's some magic dust in the air or something that means players mature and develop between the ages of 21-24 (to use your criteria) really odd. Surely it's the exposure to first team football which, as is obvious to anyone, Lingard hasn't had until last season which is the more important factor?
Well we have had 24 months of average performance levels of Lingard. Anderson had great hope his application and attitude was poor. With Lingard we have the opposite will be interesting to see if he becomes a valuable starter or squad filler or move on. My money is him being a squad player or moving on.
So you discount his loan spells then? I'm not using any particular criteria either. I am judging from what I see and what I see is an extremely limited 24 year old player who hasn't shown any significant improvements this season. He's not the exception to the rule whatsoever, the likes of Drogba are.
Ibra is peaking for years, he is holding a certain level, but he definitely still was at his top until his injury. Your 20/21 is absolute bollocks, even in todays times. Players really performing at 20 are the rare exception, they are the so called wonderboys. Youth mania at it's finest
I don't think 50 odd games spread out over 3 years in the Championship are really that important in a players development, no.
He's broken through at 23/24 rather than 20/21. Regardless of how his career develops or goes from here it is unusual to see a player come through so late and he's obviously on a different path to most young players. Not sure what else you'd call that other than an exception to the rule.
No as often seems to be the case in this thread facts are spun to suit the narrative that Lingard is a late bloomer who is somehow younger than his years. He's 24 in his 4th full senior season and he's played 127 senior games. Those are the facts.
You can consider whatever the feck you like to be a 'proper level' but it won't change anything. Also Martial has played more games than Lingard 3 years his junior because Martial is a much, much bigger talent who warranted more games at a younger age. Rashford before he is 21 will also have played a lot more games for similar reasons.
We heard all this guff last year about Lingard being a late bloomer and in his ''1st senior season'' and next year he could develop into a better/more consistent player. Well next years here and if anything he's probably went backwards from last year, certainly hasn't improved anyway in my opinion. For every good performance he averages 5-6 stinkers, he's not a winger yet is continually played there to his and the teams detriment. We should either give him a run centrally and see what he can actually do in his proper position or sell him on.
But to be honest i reckon what we are currently seeing from Lingard is basically what we are going to get no matter his age.
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