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24 starts, 12 sub appearances, 5 goals, 3 assists.Does anyone have his games-goals-assist output for this season? I'm quite interested to see it.
24 starts, 12 sub appearances, 5 goals, 3 assists.Does anyone have his games-goals-assist output for this season? I'm quite interested to see it.
Not sure I said anything other than fans have agenda's. The rest is down to opinion which incidentally I don't agree with.Has he improved in the past 2 years since he became a regular? In the last year other than his goals at Wembley what other contribution has he made to the team , his other 3 goals were two that were the 4th of 4 goal thrashings of Feyenoord and Fenerbahce and the goal against Middlesbrough where he ran half the length of the pitch without a Middlesbrough player anywhere near him.
He may have one game in 10 which is not awful or anonymous - should we just bring him out of the cupboard if we get to Wembley. This is why he gets stick. Other players may have 2, 3 or 4 games out of 10 when they're ineffective - this is the difference.
Take Rooney who gets a lot of stick, people says he's finished and he probably no longer merits a place in the team but he's played the same number of games as Lingard and has been twice as effective.
Younger players than Lingard can be more inconsistent but he's 25 later this year, if he had made progress there may be more leniency but there is no sign whatsoever because he doesn't have the technical skill to improve.
Does anyone have his games-goals-assist output for this season? I'm quite interested to see it.
Agenda of what, I don't want him anywhere near the team because I think he's a poor player, that's it, hopefully he'll prove me wrong now he's got a new contract, but won't be holding my breath.Not sure I said anything other than fans have agenda's. The rest is down to opinion which incidentally I don't agree with.
How many times are you going to use this excuse for him this season? You have used it nearly every time he has a bad game. Laughable. I understand people have more loyalty to their favourite players then others but come on this is just delusion at this point.Lingard isn't the reason the team played poorly over all. That's just a complete cop out. The manager is responsible for the mental/psychological/tactical preparation on matchday and he completely failed.
He's not even my favorite player. I just know knee jerk agenda posting when I see it. The overall team performance was at fault - mainly due to exhaustion/fatigue and injuries - not one player.How many times are you going to use this excuse for him this season? You have used it nearly every time he has a bad game. Laughable. I understand people have more loyalty to their favourite players then others but come on this is just delusion at this point.
OK. So in the last 4 games do you honestly believe he has played well? If you do then that borders on delusion. There is no doubt we have looked tired the last 2 games but Lingard was fresh going in to the weekend so that's even worse from his point of view.He's not even my favorite player. I just know knee jerk agenda posting when I see it. The overall team performance was at fault - mainly due to exhaustion/fatigue and injuries - not one player.
So what? He hasn't scored 3 goals at Wembley like Lingard has.Cleverley was part of a title winning team.
I have noticed this, that some caftards think players get singled out with criticism when talked about in their respective performance threads. I mean this is the point of them right ?Absolutely no one blamed "one player". I think I posted in 3/4 different player threads yesterday that 'x' player played poor. What's the point of 'player performance threads' if we can't criticise an individuals performance after a game like the shit show that was served up yesterday? Lingard is 24, it's about time people stopped blindly defending him and showed at least a semblance of objectivity.
Lingard Carrick Herrera and Fellaini matched up with that 4 is worse only Pogba is a standout. Fletcher and Carrick back then would walk in to our midfield today.So what? He hasn't scored 3 goals at Wembley like Lingard has.
Cleverley, Anderson, Fletcher and Carrick was an abysmal midfield. Only Ferguson could win the Premier League with a midfield like that.
Yeah it's a strange new phenomena alright. I mean usually after a performance like that tripe that was served up on Sunday, the majority of players will receive criticism in their respective threads. Yet some posters will take personal offence to certain players being criticised and imply that it's solely them receiving criticism, which isn't true at all.I have noticed this, that some caftards think players get singled out with criticism when talked about in their respective performance threads. I mean this is the point of them right ?
@Jaybomb do you think for an attacker at United it is acceptable to have scored 1 league goal this season? We have two kids in Rashford and Martial who blow hot and cold (understandably) and a 24 year old who's record and overall play (he runs about a lot ok) is well short. Is it any wonder we draw this many games and miss so many chances? We are now toiling when our main goal threats in Zlatan and Mata are out injured. Jesse is a likeable lad but his output is masked by his 3 Wembley goals and the fact he's homegrown when in reality he comes up well short in virtually every aspect of his play.So what? He hasn't scored 3 goals at Wembley like Lingard has.
Cleverley, Anderson, Fletcher and Carrick was an abysmal midfield. Only Ferguson could win the Premier League with a midfield like that.
Lingard Carrick Herrera and Fellaini matched up with that 4 is worse only Pogba is a standout. Fletcher and Carrick back then would walk in to our midfield today.
Pity that lasted all of 18 months.Absolutely. Carrick and Fletcher were outstanding players at their peak and would have got in any United team in the past 15 years. Anderson too at his absolute best and at peak fitness was a terrific player. Cleverley less so and his level is way below what United should aspire to.
I actually think his finishing is wildly erratic. The thing is, he's scored some really nice goals but misses a-lot of the easier chances which is quite strange. I remember Robbie Keane early in his career would score some beauties and miss the easier chances. I'm starting to think his pace is also overrated; I never find him particularly fast when he is moving with the ball at his feet. Maybe he has got good pace, but he certainly doesn't utilise it nearly enough or maybe he struggles to use it with the ball at his feet.He's pretty woeful beyond being fast. He's not bad on the ball by any means, but he doesn't really offer anything beyond penetration. He's a calm finisher I'll give him that but he's next to zero actual threat from the right. He's ok as a squad option but the right wing badly needs upgrading in the summer, and has done since Valencia went sour if we're honest.
This is his 4th season at senior level. At 24 most players are in their 4th-6th senior season Lingard's no different. He missed a bit of football with his injury a few years back granted but he's still played well over 100 senior games.People forget how inexperienced he is at firs team EPL level. They wrongly equate his age to his experience. He is simply older than Martial and Rashford. Not more experienced first team wise. So it should come as no surprise he is just as inconsistent as they.
77 games on proper level, that's around half the games Martial had in his career...and 10 more then Rashford. So the poster was rightThis is his 4th season at senior level. At 24 most players are in their 4th-6th senior season Lingard's no different. He missed a bit of football with his injury a few years back granted but he's still played almost 100 senior games.
So basically he wasn't good enough to break into the first team when he was younger. Hardly a valid excuse as to why he looks so bloody average at 24 years of age.77 games on proper level, that's around half the games Martial had in his career...and 10 more then Rashford. So the poster was right
Different players develop different. Some peak at 20 like Rooney, some peak at 35 like Ibrahimovic. You can derive absolutely nothing from when a player started to perform on a very high level.So basically he wasn't good enough to break into the first team when he was younger. Hardly a valid excuse as to why he looks so bloody average at 24 years of age.
Well you kind of can, to be honest. Bar the odd exception, most talented players are playing at a pretty good level by 20/21 and are definitely showing promise and some semblance of consistency by 24 years of age. On Ibra, wtf? How has he 'peaked' now exactly? Did you only start watching football this season?Different players develop different. Some peak at 20 like Rooney, some peak at 35 like Ibrahimovic. You can derive absolutely nothing from when a player started to perform on a very high level.
Which Lingard obviously is.Well you kind of can, to be honest. Bar the odd exception, most talented players are playing at a pretty good level by 20/21 and are definitely showing promise and some semblance of consistency by 24 years of age. On Ibra, wtf? How has he 'peaked' now exactly? Did you only start watching football this season?
Well we have had 24 months of average performance levels of Lingard. Anderson had great hope his application and attitude was poor. With Lingard we have the opposite will be interesting to see if he becomes a valuable starter or squad filler or move on. My money is him being a squad player or moving on.Pity that lasted all of 18 months.
So you discount his loan spells then? I'm not using any particular criteria either. I am judging from what I see and what I see is an extremely limited 24 year old player who hasn't shown any significant improvements this season. He's not the exception to the rule whatsoever, the likes of Drogba are.Which Lingard obviously is.
Also I find this idea people seem to hold that it's some magic dust in the air or something that means players mature and develop between the ages of 21-24 (to use your criteria) really odd. Surely it's the exposure to first team football which, as is obvious to anyone, Lingard hasn't had until last season which is the more important factor?
Ibra is peaking for years, he is holding a certain level, but he definitely still was at his top until his injury. Your 20/21 is absolute bollocks, even in todays times. Players really performing at 20 are the rare exception, they are the so called wonderboys. Youth mania at it's finestWell you kind of can, to be honest. Bar the odd exception, most talented players are playing at a pretty good level by 20/21 and are definitely showing promise and some semblance of consistency by 24 years of age. On Ibra, wtf? How has he 'peaked' now exactly? Did you only start watching football this season?
I don't think 50 odd games spread out over 3 years in the Championship are really that important in a players development, no.So you discount his loan spells then? I'm not using any particular criteria either. I am judging from what I see and what I see is an extremely limited 24 year old player who hasn't shown any significant improvements this season. He's not the exception to the rule whatsoever, the likes of Drogba are.
No as often seems to be the case in this thread facts are spun to suit the narrative that Lingard is a late bloomer who is somehow younger than his years. He's 24 in his 4th full senior season and he's played 127 senior games. Those are the facts.77 games on proper level, that's around half the games Martial had in his career...and 10 more then Rashford. So the poster was right