[Robbie Boy]

Im asking because in my opinion his defensive game/work rate is one of the main reasons he starts so if you dont buy his workrate im genuinely curios to see the reasoning from your perspective
Dont think you can find stats for that, the only stat that could help a bit is distance covered but even that doesnt tell you the full story as that covers the whole running and not just defensive one.

I've said plenty of times that he's alright defensively. Up until recently I could see what he could bring sometimes: pressing defences, getting himself about and finding little pockets of space. But recently, he just seems to be doing absolutely nothing. I honestly thought his tracking back was atrocious last night and it's like he went into hiding.

As I've said before; his defensive attributes should form a part of his game, but right now, they are his whole game. His output for an attacking player is nowhere near acceptable. For instance, I can see why he started against Chelsea - not saying I entirely agree - but I can see why. In those games he's a tactical pawn and that's fine. In home games like against Swansea he shouldn't be near the first team as he simply isn't good enough as an attacking outlet and those kind of games are where we've dropped so many needles points this season.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

I've said plenty of times that he's alright defensively. Up until recently I could see what he could bring sometimes: pressing defences, getting himself about and finding little pockets of space. But recently, he just seems to be doing absolutely nothing. I honestly thought his tracking back was atrocious last night and it's like he went into hiding.

As I've said before; his defensive attributes should form a part of his game, but right now, they are his whole game. His output for an attacking player is nowhere near acceptable. For instance, I can see why he started against Chelsea - not saying I entirely agree - but I can see why. In those games he's a tactical pawn and that's fine. In home games like against Swansea he shouldn't be near the first team as he simply isn't good enough as an attacking outlet and those kind of games are where we've dropped so many needles points this season.

Yeah i agree, he should be nowhere near the team in games like Swansea at home....regarding yesterdays game, i thought he was decent in the first half, didnt press as much but he was disciplined, helped us stay compact and control the game defensively. Offensive wise he created one chance for Mkhi and also had one dangerous cross after successful dribbling which amazed me because he is a crap dribbler.
Second half he was abysmal.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Yeah i agree, he should be nowhere near the team in games like Swansea at home....regarding yesterdays game, i thought he was decent in the first half, didnt press as much but he was disciplined, helped us stay compact and control the game defensively. Offensive wise he created one chance for Mkhi and also had one dangerous cross after successful dribbling which amazed me because he is a crap dribbler.
Second half he was abysmal.

Well I think that's partly the problem, he's played far too much this season and in games like Swansea at home, his limitations are badly exposed. People are judging him harshly purely on the fact that he's played far too much this season and he really hasn't delivered an adequate output.

I feel the bar is extremely low for him and a below par display is often excused with retorts like "he was decent etc".

As he clearly isn't going anywhere I can only hope his gametime is drastically reduced next season and he improves considerably. In a fully functioning team, he could play a squad role.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Well I think that's partly the problem, he's played far too much this season and in games like Swansea at home, his limitations are badly exposed. People are judging him harshly purely on the fact that he's played far too much this season and he really hasn't delivered an adequate output.
As he clearly isn't going anywhere I can only hope his gametime is drastically reduced next season and he improves considerably. In a fully functioning team, he could play a squad role.

yap, agree with everything.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Well I think that's partly the problem, he's played far too much this season and in games like Swansea at home, his limitations are badly exposed. People are judging him harshly purely on the fact that he's played far too much this season and he really hasn't delivered an adequate output.

I feel the bar is extremely low for him and a below par display is often excused with retorts like "he was decent etc".

As he clearly isn't going anywhere I can only hope his gametime is drastically reduced next season and he improves considerably. In a fully functioning team, he could play a squad role.

Totally agree with this. If he starts this amount of games next season we finish 5th or 6th again. Simple as.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Totally agree with this. If he starts this amount of games next season we finish 5th or 6th again. Simple as.

I really don't see him getting near as many games next season. He's been involved in like 79 games (I think) since the beginning of last season. What he's shown in that time is nowhere near good enough for him to continue playing so much.

Anyhow, he's signed a new deal so hopefully he'll improve and be a fine squad opinion from next season.

 

[breakout67]

Where's the stats to back up Lingard working harder than others? I've asked before but no one can see to statistically prove anything. I mean, he looked like he was doing feck all last night. Is it just a trodden Caf cliche at this point?

Lingard and Martial are polar opposites as players this season. Martial has decent goals and assists but virtually no defensive contribution or distance covered. Lingard has sweet feck all end product but decent defensive contribution and distance covered. Mkhitaryan is basically a superior version of both of these players because he has a good goal and assist output and fantastic defensive contribution and distance covered. Ibrahimivoc has more defensive contribution and goal/assist output than Martial with similar distance covered.

All the ratios for the above statements can be found on whoscored, squawka etc. I'd have to give you about 15 links for them so you're gonna have to trust me or look it up yourself.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Lingard and Martial are polar opposites as players this season. Martial has decent goals and assists but virtually no defensive contribution or distance covered. Lingard has sweet feck all end product but decent defensive contribution and distance covered. Mkhitaryan is basically a superior version of both of these players because he has a good goal and assist output and fantastic defensive contribution and distance covered. Ibrahimivoc has more defensive contribution and goal/assist output than Martial with similar distance covered.

All the ratios for the above statements can be found on whoscored, squawka etc. I'd have to give you about 15 links for them so you're gonna have to trust me or look it up yourself.

Fair enough, I'll take your word for it. I had a quick look myself earlier but couldn't really find what I was looking for.

 

[wolvored]

Lingard good runner, and occasional great goal, but nowhere near good enough for what we need to get back to the top.

 

[GM K]

It was irritating seeing him chewing a gum in the game against Celta de Vigo. Maybe I wouldn't have noticed if he was putting in a 5 star performance but to have played that poorly and still be chewing a gum in the middle of such a crucial game? That was it for me. I used to make a case for him but honestly, I now see why people criticize his contributions to the team so much. We badly need an upgrade.

 

[GM K]

At the start of the season, we were worried that Jose would not give Rashford, Lingard and Timothy enough opportunities. That desire to see our very own academy products blossom into top class players was the basis of the worry.

Well, he has certainly given at least Rashford and Lingard more than enough opportunities to prove their worth. Rashford has grabbed his with both hands. Lingard is doing a good job of squandering his if you ask me.

 

[GM K]

At the start of the season, we were worried that Jose would not give Rashford, Lingard and Timothy enough opportunities. That desire to see our very own academy products blossom into top class players was the basis of the worry.

Well, he has certainly given at least Rashford and Lingard more than enough opportunities to prove their worth. Rashford has grabbed his with both hands. Lingard is doing a good job of squandering his if you ask me.

 

[KevinJoh]

Expecting too much from Lingard I guess. If you consider that he is squad player, someone who won't go to the press moaning if he is on the bench or out of squad, then he is more then OK. To have your own kid between 16th and 19th player in the squad is great option for me.
I like his runs, in every game he plays he will have a solid chance or he will put the ball in the 5 yards a couple of times, will give options with his runs to his team...smart player, not his problem that the most of lads just stand in their positions, do not move in channels and can't pass or cross when needed. I wouldn't mind to see him once a week having 60 minutes on the field when we have 2 games in a week, or to have some defensive duty in big games. Like Park once for example.

 

[Adisa]

We'll be in trouble if he's still playing as much next season. He's not good enough to be a starter for a genuine top four side. Not to talk of a premiership contender.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

or to have some defensive duty in big games. Like Park once for example.

Park was a fecking miles better player though in fairness, both in attack and defence.

 

[devips]

Maybe he will be a regular bonafide starter for us next season, who knows? All he needs to add is proper finishing to his repertoire.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

We'll be in trouble if he's still playing as much next season. He's not good enough to be a starter for a genuine top four side. Not to talk of a premiership contender.

Exactly this.

You can't have a regular starter, which Lingard has been the last few months, who offers as little as he does. He's supposed to be an attacking player for us and yet he regularly goes weeks without a goal or an assist.

It's not good enough.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

All the ratios for the above statements can be found on whoscored, squawka etc. I'd have to give you about 15 links for them so you're gonna have to trust me or look it up yourself.

Distance covered is a stupid metric. Berbatov used to cover more ground than Tevez. Not a cat in hells chance was he harder working.

Stats in isolation are almost entirely useless. There's a reason that the public is not given the full complement of stats. These stats are sold. For lots of cash. They get linked together and analysed... and still only offer a glimpse into the value or effectiveness of a player.

Lingard is average though. This much is true.

 

[breakout67]

Distance covered is a stupid metric. Berbatov used to cover more ground than Tevez. Not a cat in hells chance was he harder working.

Stats in isolation are almost entirely useless. There's a reason that the public is not given the full complement of stats. These stats are sold. For lots of cash. They get linked together and analysed... and still only offer a glimpse into the value or effectiveness of a player.

Lingard is average though. This much is true.

Well actually distance covered is a useful metric for how hard a player works, not where the player works hard. Berbatov by definition was working harder than Tevez, but most of his work was in the offensive phase of play. Tevez probably had far more defensive contributions than Berbatov while also working at a good enough rate in attack so it could be argued that Tevez's work was more valuable. It is the exact same case with Ozil who covers the most distance in most of the games he plays; and watching him will tell you that he is always moving into space or to create space in attack. However, his defensive contributions have been shite this season (but at Madrid he was a completely superior player).

Rewatching games and looking at stats tells me Lingard works hard but he is not effective compared to Mkitaryan or Mata who contribute both in attack and defense to a good level. Where as lingard offers very little going forward.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Wonder when he will finally have a good game?

 

[PepsiCola]

Wonder when he finally have a good game?

Doesn't need to have one, he has 3 goals at Wembley

 

[Bojan11]

Wonder when he will finally have a good game?

He scored in finals and runs around a lot. So get out of here. Plus he's from the academy.

 

[Pace Abuser]

Wonder when he will finally have a good game?

He was conceived in the Stretford End. Doesn't need to have a good game.

 

[Redo91]

He's continuing to make a mockery of our decision to give him £100 K a week.

 

[AndyJ1985]

How can people continue to defend such a poor player and argue that he's United standard? Game after game after game he does absolutely nothing of note.

 

[Pace Abuser]

Someone will be along to tell us that Mourinho actually loves him because of some intangibles that happen to bypass the casual viewer, only perceived by cultured fans.

 

[Shamshi]

Another fantastic half from our Jesse. Those menacing runs he makes are a joy to watch! He will score soon.

 

[J-Stander]

Great movement. A real joy to watch.

 

[dannyrhinos89]

Lingard should be in the championship or playing for Sunderland

 

[arnie_ni]

Playing crap today. Duno why he wasn't rested

 

[kamarumk]

I really dont want him to be my easy scapegoat. But everytime i watch him closely ,he is looking more and more useless. In my opinion he is poor man's Dirk Kuyt.

 

[AndyJ1985]

Great movement. A real joy to watch.

Love that he's a local lad, the way he runs is so mesmerising.

 

[Jacky Quacky]

Worse footballer than Bebe

Im being serious

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

Offers absolutely nothing to the team other than the occasional snapchat vine..

 

[Dave46]

I really dont want him to be my easy scapegoat. But everytime i watch him closely ,he is looking more and more useless. In my opinion he is poor man's Dirk Kuyt.

Kuyt used to score goals.

 

[Bojan11]

Lingard should be in the championship or playing for Sunderland

Or should try athletics as he is good at sprinting.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

He's Kieran Richardson but born locally and with cup final goals.

His general game week in and week out is very Richardson like.

 

[Godfather]

Done absolutely nothing again. Has been dire for countless times. Still getting game time. Cause he tries.

 

[Zoo]

He can't complain about not getting chances. He simply isn't doing enough.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

I honestly don't know anyone can defend him anymore. I was always of the opinion that he could possibly be a squad player here as long as it is in selected games but I don't think I'm even of that opinion anymore. He is just poor.