He seemed to be on the right track with "just writing off debt doesn't solve the problem". That's coherent. But to them continually clarify that the debts should be repaid is just stupid.Tweet
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Spot on.No mate, it's politics. Realistically you can't do a damn thing in opposition. He has to find the broader appeal. I don't necessarily like it, but I do think he's doing what has to be done to win.
Yes, you are 100% correct, it might be added that no other party with a chance of winning power at the next GE will offer the left anything even close to what they want..except Labour.Spot on.
Labour is still going to have to overturn a big Tory Majority.
And that means winning back those so called Red Wall seats which turned against Labour last time.
And it is also going to have to win traditional Tory seats.
And Starmer is very well aware that Labour has to appeal to voters across the whole spectrum.
As you rightly say... it is politics. Plain and simple.
Well said.
Yes, you are 100% correct, it might be added that no other party with a chance of winning power at the next GE will offer the left anything even close to what they want..except Labour.
Electing a national government is not a competitive sport, coming in second or third has no value, the winner takes it all and the truth is we stay with a FPTP system because the vast majority of the British electorate prefer that... or, they don't give toss!
Everybody needs a strong Labour majority government to bring in change... "even those who will ultimately benefit from change, initially reject it" (quote)... but cannot remember who!!
fecking christ, they even speak to each other like this.Tweet
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However, in a move that baffled Conservative MPs, when the Commons came to vote to overturn the opposition motion, the Tory whips did not put up "tellers" - vote counters - and so it could not be held, meaning the opposition motion passed.
This often happens because of disorganisation or confusion about events in the chamber, and often marks a failing of either the Tory whips or the Commons leader's office - figures appointed by Mr Sunak.
fecking christ, they even speak to each other like this.
"Our whip's fecked up? HOW COULD LABOUR DO THIS?"
Usually these WhatsApp leaks look quite intentional hence why they include such odd messaging. Not sure exactly who this benefits though and I also like they put 'will' and not would.fecking christ, they even speak to each other like this.
"Our whip's fecked up? HOW COULD LABOUR DO THIS?"
A consequence of the two party duopoly. This nutjob belongs with other nutters like Habib, Tice and Farage, rather than *spits* more 'reasonable' centre right Tories.
I've also read rumours it might not be a traditional defection but that they'll have John Major endorse Starmer and Labour on Thursday.Another defection this week apparently. Rumours that it could be Theresa May
Another defection this week apparently. Rumours that it could be Theresa May
Also do they really save one another’s names with ”MP” at the end?!Usually these WhatsApp leaks look quite intentional hence why they include such odd messaging. Not sure exactly who this benefits though and I also like they put 'will' and not would.
Most people want perpetual opposition because leadership and responsibility is hard. Likewise it's easier to snipe and critique than do.
Yes, you are 100% correct, it might be added that no other party with a chance of winning power at the next GE will offer the left anything even close to what they want..except Labour.
Electing a national government is not a competitive sport, coming in second or third has no value, the winner takes it all and the truth is we stay with a FPTP system because the vast majority of the British electorate prefer that... or, they don't give toss!
Everybody needs a strong Labour majority government to bring in change... "even those who will ultimately benefit from change, initially reject it" (quote)... but cannot remember who!!
They're egotistical maniacs, of course they do.Also do they really save one another’s names with ”MP” at the end?!
I don't think something like that has happened in modern times.Having an ex Tory PM come out and say vote Labour at the next election would be really something.
Yes, a great deal of truth (and sense) in what you say... "sniping from behind cover" as my boss used to sayMost people want perpetual opposition because leadership and responsibility is hard. Likewise it's easier to snipe and critique than do.
That would be hilarious.A very serious political system in the UK
Yes, it's a difficult situation, but I fear we were taught a valuable lesson last time (whether we take notice is another matter), " events happen" as MacMillan observed.....if it had not been for Covid, what would an unbridled 85+ majority Tory government have done?Do we really want a repeat of the last election outcome.
I do wonder sometimes.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/windermere-raw-sewage-illegally-pumped-clean-it-up-l6wmqrzqcThe Environment Agency investigated, but considered the case to be a minor incident.
It’d be an improvement on her usual diet.They should make Therese Coffey drink it.
Millions of litres of raw sewage illegally pumped into Windermere
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/windermere-raw-sewage-illegally-pumped-clean-it-up-l6wmqrzqc
Yes indeed.Yes, it's a difficult situation, but I fear we were taught a valuable lesson last time (whether we take notice is another matter), " events happen" as MacMillan observed.....if it had not been for Covid, what would an unbridled 85+ majority Tory government have done?
If they had not had to contend with a pandemic I sometimes wonder just what would have happened?
However, an unbridled majority of the same size would definitely allow Labour to move the dial for most of the population, especially if Starmer wants to appeal across the board and at the same time run a 'tight ship' onboard the Labour Party.
Everything to play for, but size of majority is crucial!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/27925200/cryptosporidium-outbreak-brixham-devon-water-illness/"I started having stomach cramps and explosive diarrhoea nine days ago and it has been the same every day since."
A non-The S*n link.God, I hate Singapore's heavily chlorinated water, but I'd take that any day over the UK's turd filled third world water quality.
Urgent ‘don’t drink water’ warning in town as hundreds suddenly fall sick with ‘worst illness ever’
https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/27925200/cryptosporidium-outbreak-brixham-devon-water-illness/
I suspect everybody (at least in our age group) do. Polls may give an indication of the way the wind is blowing, but its always a mistake to try to use it as a measure.Yes indeed.
Personally I treat the opinion polls with a big pinch of salt.
Yes I believe Labour will win. But I doubt it will be more than just a small working majority.
The longer Sunak waits, the bigger the risk is to Labour. Especially with slightly improving economic conditions.
Still everything to play for.
I think Labour will win comfortably but not by the margins some polls suggest. It should be totally impossible for the Tories to win with the complete ineptitude of the government and the ministers. But Starmer's been a poor opposition leader as he was when Shadow Brexit Secretary and that covers just about all his political career so far.I suspect everybody (at least in our age group) do. Polls may give an indication of the way the wind is blowing, but its always a mistake to try to use it as a measure.
As you say Starmer has a large majority to overcome and to do the things he needs to do, will, as I've speculated elsewhere, need to have very large swings at least in the constituencies where results do tend to blow with the wind. He will then need to establish a timetable for real change that will cover at least two possibly three terms. Its a massive task and he is right to canvass support wherever he can, across the board,
There are massive problems both behind him i.e.fall out and costs (debts) from Covid and in front of him, the ever deepening worry of wars continuing in Europe and in the Middle East, neither of which show any sign of abating and if anything show signs of dragging others in. There is of course climate changes, of which many governments are now (effectively) rowing back from (or thinking of doing so) etc.
The big problem will be increases in defence spending, as the threat grows so money and resources will get sucked into this area from everywhere else. The primary duty of a government is to defend its people, therefore as war clouds gather so resources get diverted to move the economy on to a 'war footing' suspect (@Paul the Wolf ) Paul would say after Brexit, its already on that footing now, as it is believed Russia already is at this stage now.
If Starmer does not get his large majority, its even possible (if the worst should follow) that a government of national unity may be on the cards..... the mind boggles!!
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Sure, go to the embittered ex-member for impartial analysis.Tweet
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Sure, go to the embittered ex-member for impartial analysis.
Sure, go to the embittered ex-member for impartial analysis.
Harsh on @Sweet SquareHe is such a melt.
/Every time the government are in trouble they bring up some threats of war. Secure the borders !! by both Tories and Labour. All propaganda. Increasing spending marginally to 2.5% is not exactly a considerable amount.
As I said previously Brexit has only just begun properly this year and will gradually increase its effects over the next five years.