Can anyone tell me what happened in that wing prior to Martial introduction? He is the left wing we need. Our play is too narrow with no dribbles without him. He must play every game.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Martial played 90 minutes against Newcastle and Tottenham with 45 mins on each side. Then he got played all his gametime against Chelsea on the left with Sanchez through the middle for 64 minutes. Against Brighton he played on the left for 90 minutes.
It's false that Martial was moved out of position for Sanchez. A much more accurate assessment is that Martial lost his place on the left to Sanchez and played less minutes as a result. When he has played he has spent most of his time on the left.
Martial isn't under performing recently because of playing out of position, he's under performing because he's lost a bit of motivation since Sanchez has taken his spot while he was growing in confidence. He's played over 500 minutes since Sanchez came and most of it is in his position.
He's been playing exactly the same though. Often ineffective, sometimes looks useful. Nothing changed in terms of performances with Sanchez's arrival except having something new to blame it on. Before that, ironically, it was because he shouldn't be played on the left. Or still just because he shouldn't be expected to perform off the bench or because of his shirt number or something.
If he plays more like today as his consistent benchmark performance, with some outstanding performances sometimes on top, he'll obviously get chosen. That's why Lingard gets chosen. Because his benchmark has been higher, even if his ceiling isn't.
I find it hard to believe we can't find a system where Martial, Sanchez and Lukaku all play at the same time.
He is definitely under performing as he has only got one goal or assist since Sanchez came in over 500 minutes.
Martial during his time here has been a Rooney type of player when he was on the decline. Was very frustrating during the build up but was very good in the final third.
He is even struggling when coming off the bench, whereas earlier this season he was our best impact sub.
Thought he was very poor when he came on. His end product was non-existent, looked lethargic and gave the ball away cheeply. Hardly looked like someone who was trying to stake a claim for a starting spot.
I dont understand why he always comes deep for the ball and never looks to play on the shoulder of the full-back, he's so quick and coming short makes him easy to mark, i'd like to see him further forward and keeping the width, its not a Mourinho thing either as he did the same under LvG.
I dont understand why he always comes deep for the ball and never looks to play on the shoulder of the full-back, he's so quick and coming short makes him easy to mark, i'd like to see him further forward and keeping the width, its not a Mourinho thing either as he did the same under LvG.
If he plays like this, he can stay.
I'll be so upset if he ends up leaving.
His talent is glaringly clear, and his ability to take on his man is so dangerous. No other player on our team offers that.
And having 11 goals + 11 assists this season while playing reduced minutes just shows how good he is.
His talent is glaringly clear, and his ability to take on his man is so dangerous. No other player on our team offers that.
And having 11 goals + 11 assists this season while playing reduced minutes just shows how good he is.
Be a travesty if he left.
I think it depends on who he is playing against. He is far from certain beating Bellerin in a foot race on the outside, but he did get past him easily on the inside as Bellerin isn't the most agile, and for some reason seemed to anticipate that Martial would go on the inside, silly sod. However, Arsenal were quick to double up on him.
I agree that he needs to go more on the outside, but he seems a little reluctant to do that playing against the fastest fullbacks such as Walker and Bellerin.
Gave us much needed width and directness when he came on today.
Not sure why Mourinho wants 8 players all central with only 2 players (full back) giving us width. It just doesn't work, and it means we're ineffective when we try and counter teams.
Not sure why Mourinho wants 8 players all central with only 2 players (full back) giving us width. It just doesn't work, and it means we're ineffective when we try and counter teams.
This basically destroys any credibility you could possibly have. He was clearly very good. A couple of bad passes but he changed the pace of the game, had Bellerin on toast and set up 2 or 3 good chances.
Couldn't say it any better. Any fool can see he has something special about him, which is why no one would be surprised if he ended up fulfilling his talent somewhere else.
He has the potential to be absolutely world class and he's been mostly sidelined for the much less talented Rashford. It's absurd.
Martial on the left and Sanchez where Lingard is can also work. I don't see what Lingard can bring that Sanchez cannot do in the middle.
The fact is he is already better than Sanchez, and the gap will only get larger as he improves as a player. Not to mention Sanchez has already started declining, he lost a yard of pace this season, as was noticeable watching him play for Arsenal in the first half of the season.
Mourinho has played an absolute blinder with Martial. Bringing his level back to that of where he realistically is along with his development was pretty crucial at this stage of Martial's career. If he ends up leaving then there is no harm done, he can leave but I would much prefer to see him coming off the bench against tired legs and developing that deadly injection player off the pine. Rather than having bunches of games where he starts and doesn't do much and then goes onto the bench I'd prefer him to develop that genuine off the bench role while he is still in the infancy of his career. His hunger seems more genuine in limited bursts than with starts.
He's still far from the complete package and I would prefer him doing damage against tired legs and keeping himself hungry for inclusion. He needs to bring his attitude back into line with how far along his development is as a player. A hungry and young potentially great player who has to mentally comprehend that he must make himself great. Not somebody who is great just by association with a big club and fans yelling that he should start having shown raw glimpses of a reliable footballer. Kudos to Mou and kudos to Martial for taking his chance off the bench today to put in a shift. With an FA cup final spot up for grabs I think Mourinho has to rely on his experienced player in Sanchez and that is more than obvious, going to Martial and him having a characteristic disengaged performance has consequences to the teams fortunes. As well as Martial. I'd much prefer to see him get the 30 minutes in the final like he gave today than 60 minutes of another possible "in my head I've already made it" performance.
Good signs from both the manager and the player.
He's still far from the complete package and I would prefer him doing damage against tired legs and keeping himself hungry for inclusion. He needs to bring his attitude back into line with how far along his development is as a player. A hungry and young potentially great player who has to mentally comprehend that he must make himself great. Not somebody who is great just by association with a big club and fans yelling that he should start having shown raw glimpses of a reliable footballer. Kudos to Mou and kudos to Martial for taking his chance off the bench today to put in a shift. With an FA cup final spot up for grabs I think Mourinho has to rely on his experienced player in Sanchez and that is more than obvious, going to Martial and him having a characteristic disengaged performance has consequences to the teams fortunes. As well as Martial. I'd much prefer to see him get the 30 minutes in the final like he gave today than 60 minutes of another possible "in my head I've already made it" performance.
Good signs from both the manager and the player.
@Ashley R1+O in what way has Mourinho played a blinder? By all accounts Martial is desperate to leave this summer.
I thought I saw Martial walk straight to the tunnel right after the match yesterday. Didn't hang around to clap the fans.
Did Jose say anything about Martial after the game?
EDIT: found it.
EDIT: found it.
Yeah he did. Pulled his gloves off and stared at the ground as he walked straight off down the tunnel.
The guy doesn't help himself at all.
It seems opposition fans rate Martial higher than United fans. Visibly you could tell the effect he had on the game in general and the fans. If we can't find a place for him in this team then I don't really know what to say...
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Sure, I guess if we sign a CM player he could Matic to LB to thank him for the form he’s shown us this season, and then drop him because inevitably he’s shit in a position he doesn’t play in. But at least the manager tried to accommodate him, right?
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Because playing on a different side of the pitch with freedom to move about is the same as playing in a completely different position? Also, Martial was dropped after playing on the left against Chelsea.
They don't watch him every week. Besides, Man United fans do rate Martial.
I don't care what Goldbridge says. Arsenal players and fans were shitting themselves when Martial came on and started to run at defenders. He is the only attacking player that we have that gets people off their seats. The game was boring but when he came on I was fixated to the TV. It's a shame that we don't value this talent on the forum.
What the feck is with all this nonsense about not rating him and people wanting him gone and what not? I've barely seen any people with that opinion. I rate him extremely highly and would be ecstatic if he stayed, along with most others on here I'm sure. That being said, if a player is intent on leaving, they should be allowed to. There is almost no benefits to keeping an unsettled player.
He isn't the only exciting player in the World. If he left, we have the money and draw to attract youngsters just as talented, if not more so. It will hardly be the end of the World.
He isn't the only exciting player in the World. If he left, we have the money and draw to attract youngsters just as talented, if not more so. It will hardly be the end of the World.
He looked sharp when he came on.. Has all the tools to be world class and is still young. Hope he gets more minutes now and forces his way into the Cup Final team (won't as Lingard has a free pass). Desperate for him to stay as he will without doubt go on to prove us wrong if sell him imo.
Exactly, almost no United fan has that opinion. It's just something that's been conjured up on here because some fans think that Martial has the to talent to force a starting spot in this side, whoever the manager may be, whilst others think it's his God given right. Apparently if you don't agree that it's his God given right, you don't rate him.
Personally think Martial will start the next game after a cracking cameo yesterday, and if he plays well, he'll start the game after that too.
Please what did he say?
Actually Ive read some posts which have said we should cash in on him and buy a right winger because he hasnt progressed much and hasnt put in the effort and is a sulker. Seems like you’re the one making things up.
Having said that seems most of the caf rates him some too much and some not enough clearly
I was referring to the bit that was posted in Castles tweet one page before this one.
I found a link from Jose's post match presser if you can watch it, I'm at work and couldn't manage till now.
Arsenal fans, in particular, have a very strange hard on for Martial I've noticed.
He is much more direct than Sanchez, far more willing to take his man on. The problem for him is that he will have a great 10-20 mins and then gradually drift out of the game. Too passive off ball, surprised Utd have not changed that by now, worked on him making runs behind, switching his game up instead of always waiting for ball to feet.
This. Been a trend all season.
City have proven they can break down a bus-system and they use width from both Sterling and Sane along with 2 full backs.
We seem to crowd the oppositions box while we're all being man-marked. Our movement is too static and I dunno why. Maybe it's just the nature of the players we've signed or maybe it's from the lack of attacking coaching. If you look at City, it's like all of them know exactly where to be in every possible attacking situation and where they should be moving too, dragging the opposition all over the box and thus creating space.
That doesn't mean people don't rate him Cass. It simply means that some fans see the talent but think we could buy someone who fits the team better.
And in fairness, the amount of fans with that opinion is a tiny minority.
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Welcome to "Martial v Sanchez café"
Kinda like Messi v Ronaldo, or RvN v Henry... but with fans of the same team, desperate to slag off on of their own players in order to big up another of their own players. I know it sounds fecking mental, but please do join.
Ok calm down
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