RAWK Goes Into Meltdown 2015-16 Edition

[Empire]

Apparently Rodgers said '"We lost here last year, but we didn't lose as badly this time, so that is positive".

The man needs to drop this positive thinking. He should be real, instead of constantly looking for positives to justify to himself he is succeeding he should accept bad things are happening and do something about them.

Of that particular defeat (the one last season at Old Trafford) he actually said it's probably the best defeat he has had. That's basically celebrating a defeat to United!

 

[RetroStu]

I love the way they all think Klopp is desperate to go to them.

 

[prath92]

Apparently Rodgers said '"We lost here last year, but we didn't lose as badly this time, so that is positive".

The man needs to drop this positive thinking. He should be real, instead of constantly looking for positives to justify to himself he is succeeding he should accept bad things are happening and do something about them.

Of that particular defeat (the one last season at Old Trafford) he actually said it's probably the best defeat he has had. That's basically celebrating a defeat to United!

I think he said something like 'the only positive thing today is we didn't lose like last time'.

 

[sullydnl]

@RetroStu

 

[clarkydaz]

I think it's probably over.

There is no passion, no team spirit, no game plan, no clue.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

That's got to be one of the worst Liverpool squads for a long time, United were poor and need to improve but Liverpool offered nothing. It's a derby, a match Liverpool usually get up for, we were lucky to win against Spurs, even against Villa we weren't that good, Newcastle we couldn't break down and Swansea beat us, with their comedy show at the back even if they levelled you got the impression we were always going to get a third.

It's amazing how much difference a player like Suarez can make to a team. Imagine what will happen to United when we sign a world class player that can do that, with the pace and ability to beat his man and the drive and determination to score.

The game at Anfield last season and today are the only two times I can remember Liverpool being so flat in what is a massive Derby game, must have something to do with the manager

 

[clarkydaz]

 

[Bogga]

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=322736.msg14110983#msg14110983

Smalling is a defender in the way a rubber duck is an intergalactic battlestation

Delusion at its best... If you're so narrowminded that you can't allow yourself to acknowledge that Smalling has been one of the best players, if not the best player for us this season, perhaps the best defender in the league so far...then delusion might come easy for you.

 

[golden_blunder]

Gerrard would be turning in his grave

 

[Ramshock]

Any baseball aficionados on here know what this dipper is talking about? Have FSG and the Red Sox abandoned "Moneyball"?

"The buck stops with John Henry. I think he's distanced himself from both the football and baseball side of FSG these last couple of years. (Edit: Actually, he did just massively shift directions with his baseball club. So he should be able to do it here, too"

 

[Ramshock]

Gerrard would be turning in his grave

the one he slipped in to

 

[Sphaero]

No manager worth his salt (IE who is capable of winning anything) is going to take the Liverpool job.

Why? Liverpool has still a huge name, is no financial push over to begin with, will profit from the new tv deal like the other English clubs and has huge growth potential. Liverpool is still a sleeping giant (a bigger one than we were when he took over), because it was mismanaged for so long.

The English football is right now flooded with fresh money, but the quality output for all that spending is quite low, because most of the clubs don´t use that money efficiently.

A manager like Klopp, who worked on a tight budget for many years and built a top side on peanuts, would be an excellent choice because he has shown to get enourmous playing value for money. He would not look for overhyped and overpriced English talents, but rather use his extensive knowledge and connections to the continental markets and his reputation as excellent talent developer to draw promising talents towards Liverpool for a fraction as what other clubs spend. Similar to his first years at Dortmund he would also not be afraid to give young players a chance, which is something that a lot don´t do, because they favour more finished foreign options.

His style of football would also suit the physical EPL very well and a lot of English sides have a hard time dealing with pressing, which would give him an advantage. The current Liverpool squad might lack quality in certain areas, but it is amongst the option he might consider still the most suited one for his tactical approach. It needs a lot of fine tuning and several good additions, but if the officals would give him enough time to develop a well balanced team, he could turn them into a force again.

Amongst all available options as next manager he would undoubtly be the most dangerous one.

 

[Sad Chris]

Any baseball aficionados on here know what this dipper is talking about? Have FSG and the Red Sox abandoned "Moneyball"?

"The buck stops with John Henry. I think he's distanced himself from both the football and baseball side of FSG these last couple of years. (Edit: Actually, he did just massively shift directions with his baseball club. So he should be able to do it here, too"

Not abandoned, just noticed that players with great pitching or stealing stats don't necessarily turn into great PL players.

 

[sincher]

They were poor. Are poor. But they were missing Henderson, Coutinho, Sturridge.

 

[Jerch]

They were poor. Are poor. But they were missing Henderson, Coutinho, Sturridge.

I agree with Henderson and Coutinho but saying they missed Sturridge is the same as us saying that we missed Hargreaves back in the 2009-2011...

 

[sincher]

They do miss him. The fact that he's been injured for ages doesn't change that.

 

[United22]

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=322736.msg14110983#msg14110983



Delusion at its best... If you're so narrowminded that you can't allow yourself to acknowledge that Smalling has been one of the best players, if not the best player for us this season, perhaps the best defender in the league so far...then delusion might come easy for you.

Witty but replace Smalling with Lovren/Skrtel

 

[Raptori]

Why? Liverpool has still a huge name, is no financial push over to begin with, will profit from the new tv deal like the other English clubs and has huge growth potential. Liverpool is still a sleeping giant (a bigger one than we were when he took over), because it was mismanaged for so long.

The English football is right now flooded with fresh money, but the quality output for all that spending is quite low, because most of the clubs don´t use that money efficiently.

A manager like Klopp, who worked on a tight budget for many years and built a top side on peanuts, would be an excellent choice because he has shown to get enourmous playing value for money. He would not look for overhyped and overpriced English talents, but rather use his extensive knowledge and connections to the continental markets and his reputation as excellent talent developer to draw promising talents towards Liverpool for a fraction as what other clubs spend. Similar to his first years at Dortmund he would also not be afraid to give young players a chance, which is something that a lot don´t do, because they favour more finished foreign options.

His style of football would also suit the physical EPL very well and a lot of English sides have a hard time dealing with pressing, which would give him an advantage. The current Liverpool squad might lack quality in certain areas, but it is amongst the option he might consider still the most suited one for his tactical approach. It needs a lot of fine tuning and several good additions, but if the officals would give him enough time to develop a well balanced team, he could turn them into a force again.

Amongst all available options as next manager he would undoubtly be the most dangerous one.

Yeah I agree with this. Klopp at Liverpool, if he were to be given enough time, coule easily see them becoming competitive again. Really do hope they keep the faith in Rodgers.

 

[dustfingers]

For all the understandable glee United supporter express right now about Pool and Rodgers, this loss might very well be the beginning of the end of the latter. If that will be a thing to celebrate about depends largely on the successor. I wouldn´t be surprised that in a year many rival supporter would wish Rodgers back on that seat, though.

A manager can get results as much depending on the squad though. Liverpool right now bar Coutinho, Sturridge and Benteke have a very poor team and even Klopp might struggle to get them playing good football to his style. Their defense is simply not good enough right now to allow attackers to prosper. I don't think Rodgers is a bad manager as others make it, but considering the situation at Liverpool in transfers, they cannot attract top players and their top players seem to want to move to greener pastures (Suarez, Sterling), it's a very difficult situation to be in. He has make some silly decisions in transfer but with the pool of players that are willing to come to Liverpool, he has to take a gamble and sometimes it works, other time it fails.

 

[hobbers]

Their squad is too shit to give to a manager like Klopp. You can't just paper over a shit squad with a hip new manager.

All that would happen is expectations would rise, not be met and they'd be wanting him sacked soon enough.

Also Klopp's style is completely at odds with how Rodgers has set the team up. Possession based to counter-attack based.

 

[United22]

Lol noone can sort that Liverpool side out. Excluding the last season with Dortmund (where players were oddly off form), this Liverpool team makes Klopp's Dortmund side look like Barca 09

 

[Catt]

Apparently Rodgers said '"We lost here last year, but we didn't lose as badly this time, so that is positive" But last years loss was a good loss unless it was made up.

Ops. No idea what happened here.

 

[thejtrain]

How much did Firmino cost. Never hear of him but I thought we were getting a world class talent not someone who's best work was tracking back and trying to win the ball

 

[United again!]

Since the Liverpool 15/16 thread was locked, I'll post my thoughts as a 'pool fan here Perhaps they'll help balance out some of the RAWK-ness that's inbound.

United deserved the win, but I don't think we were outmatched or outplayed by much. A well worked free kick and an inexperienced tackle from our LB gave you a lead we couldn't catch, but that aside, De Gea had more to do than Mignolet. Great goals from Benteke & Martial made up for the first half, at least.

Our forwards needed a lot more creativity behind them, and that's why I pretty much gave up all hope after Cou got suspsended. Expected a loss, got a loss, not that arsed... Maybe I'm just a casual fan? Who knows, but meh, that's one of our toughest games this season out of the way, so hopefully we can put out a better performance next time out. Norwich > Carlisle > Villa should give us plenty of time to recover from this, provided we get the cup place and 6 points.

This is off topic, it is the RAWK meltdown thread.

 

[Distracted Steward]

Why? Liverpool has still a huge name, is no financial push over to begin with, will profit from the new tv deal like the other English clubs and has huge growth potential. Liverpool is still a sleeping giant (a bigger one than we were when he took over), because it was mismanaged for so long.

The English football is right now flooded with fresh money, but the quality output for all that spending is quite low, because most of the clubs don´t use that money efficiently.

A manager like Klopp, who worked on a tight budget for many years and built a top side on peanuts, would be an excellent choice because he has shown to get enourmous playing value for money. He would not look for overhyped and overpriced English talents, but rather use his extensive knowledge and connections to the continental markets and his reputation as excellent talent developer to draw promising talents towards Liverpool for a fraction as what other clubs spend. Similar to his first years at Dortmund he would also not be afraid to give young players a chance, which is something that a lot don´t do, because they favour more finished foreign options.

His style of football would also suit the physical EPL very well and a lot of English sides have a hard time dealing with pressing, which would give him an advantage. The current Liverpool squad might lack quality in certain areas, but it is amongst the option he might consider still the most suited one for his tactical approach. It needs a lot of fine tuning and several good additions, but if the officals would give him enough time to develop a well balanced team, he could turn them into a force again.

Amongst all available options as next manager he would undoubtly be the most dangerous one.

Absolutely spot on.

...but most regulars in this thread are content to keep it to lampooning Liverpool fans. It's the least sensible part of the 'Caf. Take your honesty elsewhere.

Now, more pics of confused Scousers and bitter RAWK posters!

 

[Sphaero]

Their squad is too shit to give to a manager like Klopp. You can't just paper over a shit squad with a hip new manager.

All that would happen is expectations would rise, not be met and they'd be wanting him sacked soon enough.

Also Klopp's style is completely at odds with how Rodgers has set the team up. Possession based to counter-attack based.

Wait, what? Liverpool does not play possession based football. Arsenal plays possession based, you guys do it aswell. A team built around possession does not split it nearly evenly with the likes of Stoke and Bournemouth, it does not allow 66% of it to go to another team (Arsenal) aswell. Rodger´s style is built more on long passing and work against the ball. He made Henderson, who could be classified as a typical Klopp player captain ffs. It is way less organized than Klopp´s style but there are certainly similarities.

People bringing up Liverpool´s current squad situation don´t get the reason behind appointing Klopp. He is a squad constructor, someone who has a clear idea and shapes a team towards that idea. Bringing in someone like him is less about just managing what is already there, but to change the whole team in a new direction, partly by developing what they have and infusing new blood in it. People bringing our squad up should think less about us from 2011-2014, but more about 2008-2010, which was the dominant building period of his team. A lot on here have very clearly seen not much of us at that time.

If they do it the right way and announce a clear transition together with Klopp, then expectations will also not be sky high as long as there is development. Klopp as person is also charismatic enough to get most of the support behind him.

Klopp would not make them world beaters over night, no one can, but he would make them competive again in the long run. All he would need is some time (this season and the next) and with Liverpool struggling as there are right now, most of the supporter would give him that. Quite frankly, it would be less of a challenge than he had with Dortmund (not in terms of trophies but in terms of development), because he would have clearly more ressources at his disposal. Like a said, it is not like Pool is poor.

 

[Kill 'em all]

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=322898.0

It's not funny any more. It's just depressing.

Looks like the mods in North Korea have had enough and are finally turning*

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=322900.0


*turning on their American owners, of course

After spending the odd 300m on shit players they're blaming the owners!? How are they blaming the owners when they're spending that much and they're not even in the Champions league is beyond me.

 

[hobbers]

Wait, what? Liverpool does not play possession based football. Arsenal plays possession based, you guys do it aswell. A team built around possession does not split it nearly evenly with the likes of Stoke and Bournemouth, it does not allow 66% of it to go to another team (Arsenal) aswell. Rodger´s style is built more on long passing and work against the ball. He made Henderson, who could be classified as a typical Klopp player captain ffs. It is way less organized than Klopp´s style but there are certainly similarities.

People bringing up Liverpool´s current squad situation don´t get the reason behind appointing Klopp. He is a squad constructor, someone who has a clear idea and shapes a team towards that idea. Bringing in someone like him is less about just managing what is already there, but to change the whole team in a new direction, partly by developing what they have and infusing new blood in it. People bringing our squad up should think less about us from 2011-2014, but more about 2008-2010, which was the dominant building period of his team. A lot on here have very clearly seen not much of us at that time.

If they do it the right way and announce a clear transition together with Klopp, then expectations will also not be sky high as long as there is development. Klopp as person is also charismatic enough to get most of the support behind him.

Klopp would not make them world beaters over night, no one can, but he would make them competive again in the long run. All he would need is some time (this season and the next) and with Liverpool struggling as there are right now, most of the supporter would give him that. Quite frankly, it would be less of a challenge than he had with Dortmund (not in terms of trophies but in terms of development), because he would have clearly more ressources at his disposal. Like a said, it is not like Pool is poor.

He's not even close to achieving it, but Rodgers does aspire to possession football.

The biggest problem Liverpool have imo is player recruitment, and that will still go on post-Rodgers. Their transfer committee is an absolute joke but they don't look like they're even going to contemplate shelving it. Would be absolutely mental but if Klopp comes in he will have only a small voice in transfer targets. So the only real benefits he could bring in the short term (1-2 seasons) are his coaching methods and charisma, and those would have to go an awful long way because he'd be on a time limit to produce results.

 

[Earthquake]

Liverpool does not play possession based football.

That's not by design.

 

[Fellainis Nutmeg]

They are not happy with Tyler at all
Some comments from their worst Pundit/Commentator thread:

I change my vote to Tyler. Remained ambivalent on the man in the past but feck me how ecstatic he was for a non united fan after that martial goal.

Was ridiculous

fecking ridiculous that was from Tyler. Sounded like he was going to spunk in his keks.

That was fecking ridiculous could he have shown his love for Man Utd anymore when that 3rd goal went in

That was a fan cheering & he's gloating afterwards was sickening

But that massive Yyyeeeesssss was so unprofessional

Utter twat

Bang on from our resident Hammer

Dog shit Tyldsley, feck off.

Glad you said that Paul just to confirm in my head it wasn't just bias by us Liverpool fans.

Barely made a noise when benteke scored then fecking had an orgasm after martial scored sakho scored the exact same goal 2 weeks ago.

haha, what a prick.

I am glad I was not the only one to see how bias Tyler was tonight. Went mental when they scored especially the 3rd and yet did not bat an eyelid when big ben scored is wounder goal. Drove me nuts serves me right to watch a SS stream

Nauseating weren't it.

Some poor fecker on minimum wage at Johnson's the cleaners will have to scrape the twats Farah slacks on Monday.

He even suggested the Martial goal was better than Benteke's!!!

Sounds even worse on second viewing.

You would think you're watching Fanzone.

should get a telling off for that. wether it's against Liverpool or bournemouth, that was pure bias and cringe as feck.

Made me physically sick listening to that and how he made it out to be 10 times better than Bentekes goal.

Complete bias from Sky towards them again.

 

[JustAFan]

@Sphaero is it really true that klopp is interested in the Liverpool job?

Can't imagine why he would be when Chelsea, us or maybe Real Madrid could be there for him soon.

 

[Stadjer]

Can't imagine why he would be when Chelsea, us or maybe Real Madrid could be there for him soon.

Nah, i believe he said something in an interview about not wanting to manage a topclub. He wants to build a club to the top just like he did with Dortmund.

 

[marukomu]

Disappointing thread today. Too much discussion and hardly any actual RAWK meltdown. I was really looking forward to reading with my breakfast.

 

[Ødegaard]

Nah, i believe he said something in an interview about not wanting to manage a topclub. He wants to build a club to the top just like he did with Dortmund.

That won't go down well on rawk.

 

[marukomu]

Interviewer to Rodgers: 'Is this a season of transition?'

Taking the piss or what? How many transitions do we need?

That's 5 wins in 28 games against 'top four' clubs, that includes 2 wins against Moyes's United which should not count, also 2 wins when we were challenging for the title (otherwise 1 in 18 in the other 2 seasons)

 

[JustAFan]

Nah, i believe he said something in an interview about not wanting to manage a topclub. He wants to build a club to the top just like he did with Dortmund.

So why Liverpool then?

 

[JustAFan]

Disappointing thread today. Too much discussion and hardly any actual RAWK meltdown. I was really looking forward to reading with my breakfast.

Lots of mentions of Rafa over there today

 

[SteveJ]

Lots of mentions of Rafa over there today

That's unusual.

 

[Tyrion]

Yep. They are ridiculous.

In their defence, it's not just them. Every season for at least the last 5 or 6 years the media talks about how we aren't like United 'sides of old'. I obviously missed the 90s when we must have won every game 5 nil and bought every great player in the world for a fiver.

 

[Sid234]

So any mentions of how lucky Martial was with his goal and Ibnaldo/Firminho being better talents?