g = window.googletag || {}; googletag.cmd = googletag.cmd || []; window.googletag = googletag; googletag.cmd.push(function() { var interstitialSlot = googletag.defineOutOfPageSlot('/17085479/redcafe_gam_interstitial', googletag.enums.OutOfPageFormat.INTERSTITIAL); if (interstitialSlot) { interstitialSlot.addService(googletag.pubads()); } });

Westminster Politics

Dobba

Full Member
Joined
Nov 10, 2006
Messages
28,735
Location
"You and your paper can feck off."
Ok, it is a terrible statement and shouldn't have been said, but what level of proof do you think it's appropriate to have before naming/taking action against an individual? If this quote was given on a confidential basis to a journalist then you/the party may be pretty certain who said it but where is the evidence beyond feelings if the journalist doesn't name the source and the source doesn't come forward?

Criticism of the journalist for not naming the source may be valid, but overall I think it's better to live in a society where journalists will protect their sources as I think that freedom of information is beneficial on balance even if it can at times seem unfair/frustrating.
The journalist won't reveal their source because then nobody would provide them with anything. The source doesn't need to come forward because the party he was speaking for knows who said it, but if they say who it is their claim that they don't speak for the party become even more laughable than it is now. He's not a MP, but he's on the NEC, he's got previous for saying exactly this sort of thing and faced no punishment for it. He's untouchable and the fact the party isn't ever going to out him shows that they think that too. He represents them now, he'll represent them tomorrow and he'll represent them next week/month/year.

Luckily for Starmer our media are more likely to ask him where he thinks Lord Lucan is than to name and shame the Reg Holdsworth lookalike.
 
Last edited:

Mr Pigeon

Illiterate Flying Rat
Scout
Joined
Mar 27, 2014
Messages
26,439
Location
bin
The journalist won't reveal their source because then nobody would provide them with anything. The source doesn't need to come forward because the party he was speaking for knows who said it, but if they say who it is their claim that they don't speak for the party become even more laughable than it is now. He's not a MP, but he's on the NEC, he's got previous for saying exactly this sort of thing and faced no punishment for it. He's untouchable and the fact the party isn't ever going to out him shows that they think that too. He represents them now, he'll represent them tomorrow and he'll represent them next week/month/year.

Luckily for Starmer our media are more likely to ask him where he thinks Lord Lucan is than to name and shame the Reg Holdsworth lookalike.
I'm intrigued about how you know this?

I'm getting tired of politicians paying lip service to this when it applies to certain groups, whereas with others they are magically able to find out who the person is immediately and do something about it. They seem to only ever do anything about it when the public are paying attention, otherwise it just gets swept under the rug.
 

Fergies Gum

Full Member
Joined
May 23, 2011
Messages
13,602
Come on Sunak, just call the election. Its an open secret your wife hates living at Downing Street and has been making plans to move back to California.
 

Flying high

Full Member
Joined
Jul 19, 2015
Messages
1,792
BBC reporting there's a big tory meeting planned for next week. Attendees are expected to present ideas for something to privatise. The backup plan is deciding which country to pick a fight with, though sources understand that there's some reluctance with this plan as most of the countries that the gammons have heard of would be too tough for us these days.
 

gfactor86

Full Member
Joined
Nov 15, 2001
Messages
1,311
Add to that its clear ULEZ wasn't the electoral minefield everyone thought it would be. Turns out people like having cleaner air in their neighbourhoods and around their workplaces and green spaces.
ULEZ is a stealth tax. Khan's record in London is deplorable. Not sure I can point to anything good that he has done. A sad state of affairs that there was no decent opposition
 

gfactor86

Full Member
Joined
Nov 15, 2001
Messages
1,311
Genuinely very happy to see the Labour vote significantly drop in the Muslim population and that the Greens have made large gains. Some positive news in what has been 7 months of sadness over Gaza.

The Muslim voting block is a very big one, and yet doesn't feel anywhere near as influential or organised as say the Jewish voting block in America is. I'm very glad to see that people backed the Greens who very early on called for a ceasefire.

In London, Khan winning was always pretty likely in my view. He's insulated from the Gaza stuff because he's always strayed from the Labour line, and I expect most Londoners are actually pro less polluting cars. Of course the Conservatives fielding three terrible candidates in a row hasn't helped them. You don't need another Boris but just some regular professional guy with no history of xenophobic comments would've helped them tremendously, something all of the last three have failed to be.
All the Tories needed was someone like Rory Stewart. He would have wiped the floor with Khan.
 

Vernon Philander

Full Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2014
Messages
905
ULEZ is a stealth tax. Khan's record in London is deplorable. Not sure I can point to anything good that he has done. A sad state of affairs that there was no decent opposition
Nothing stealthy about it - it factually gives cleaner air in London.

is the tax on cigarettes a stealth tax?
 

gfactor86

Full Member
Joined
Nov 15, 2001
Messages
1,311
Nothing stealthy about it - it factually gives cleaner air in London.

is the tax on cigarettes a stealth tax?
it's a stealth tax. They're ending the EV exemption on congestion charge in London. Why? Because it was never about cleaner air. It's a tax on people to make more money for the council.
 

Eplel

Full Member
Joined
May 15, 2016
Messages
1,996
Andy Street losing for about 1500 votes in West Midlands has to be one of the biggest Tory failures in recent times, considering they were so keen to bring in the first past the post system
 

Eplel

Full Member
Joined
May 15, 2016
Messages
1,996
it's a stealth tax. They're ending the EV exemption on congestion charge in London. Why? Because it was never about cleaner air. It's a tax on people to make more money for the council.
Believe it or not, the best way to make money from car use is to reduce it, not to tax it. The externalities stemming from private car use are way more costly than whatever taxes they offer, including ulez, ved and fuel duty.
 

gfactor86

Full Member
Joined
Nov 15, 2001
Messages
1,311
Then on top of that, he's turned London into a fecking cesspit. Lawlessness, knife crime, gang culture, divisions and lack of social cohesion, expensive transport.

it's hard to believe that he could have done a worse job. Yet gets a 3rd term
 

Kaos

Full Member
Joined
May 6, 2007
Messages
31,885
Location
Ginseng Strip
ULEZ is a stealth tax. Khan's record in London is deplorable. Not sure I can point to anything good that he has done. A sad state of affairs that there was no decent opposition
Thankfully London seems to disagree with you. Most of us here appreciate having cleaner air. He's by no means a perfect mayor, but a breath of fresh air (literally) compared to the clown that preceded him as well as the clowns who are offered as an alternative.
 

Eplel

Full Member
Joined
May 15, 2016
Messages
1,996
Then on top of that, he's turned London into a fecking cesspit. Lawlessness, knife crime, gang culture, divisions and lack of social cohesion, expensive transport.

it's hard to believe that he could have done a worse job. Yet gets a 3rd term
Let me guess, black cab driver?
 

Flying high

Full Member
Joined
Jul 19, 2015
Messages
1,792
it's a stealth tax. They're ending the EV exemption on congestion charge in London. Why? Because it was never about cleaner air. It's a tax on people to make more money for the council.
The clue is in the name, I'd have thought.

Still exempt for ulez charge though.
 

SilentWitness

ShoelessWitness
Staff
Joined
Jan 14, 2010
Messages
31,258
Supports
Everton
Then on top of that, he's turned London into a fecking cesspit. Lawlessness, knife crime, gang culture, divisions and lack of social cohesion, expensive transport.

it's hard to believe that he could have done a worse job. Yet gets a 3rd term
How do you manage to go into every CE thread and be the worst poster in it?
 

Blood Mage

Full Member
Joined
Aug 25, 2019
Messages
6,157
Pretty disastrous for the Tories all round, lovely stuff. I'm still weirdly pessimistic about Labour's chances of winning a majority though, mostly because there's no guarantee of a Labour comeback in Scotland.