Only very few. Most people are just saying what they are seeing from him.
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I'm not arguing that he was poor in pretty much all departments last night, and recently. I do disagree somewhat that he isn't under as much pressure to perform as Martial. Before we signed him no one really knew much about Martial whereas Depay was seen as somewhat as a marquee signing, which for a 21 year old who has only ever played in Holland is a bit silly in itself.
My point is that he needs time, and also that I can see Martial having a tougher and tougher time as the season goes on and the opposition get more used to what to expect from him and defend against it.
I also think Depay is suffering from a lack of support from the LB position. If I were LvG I'd stick him in the reserves for a few games to take the pressure off him and let him get some confidence back.
Almost everyone agrees on this. The only question is does he get a guaranteed start in first team regardless of his adaptability, as part of giving him time
Fair and square but as I've said, most people don't blame Memphis for not scoring not assisting or failing to dribble past people. Most people slate him because he looks like he couldn't give a feck on the pitch. You can't say the same about Martial so even when Martial hits some down, he won't get half the criticism due to his work ethic on the pitch.
As I've said, I think the best thing would be to stick him in the reserves for a while to get some mojo back.
Nah, Martial will soon be slated. It will happen gradually, first people will start nitpicking at his gameplay (it's already started with some saying that his link up play is not great etc.), then we will analyze his goal drought and then full blown hatred will commence shortly.
Personally I think thats a confidence thing.
Comparisons with Di Maria are very harsh IMO. ADM clearly never wanted to be here whereas Memphis was obviously delighted to get a move to Utd, right now it's not going well for him, but people need to cut him some slack while he learns what he needs to do to be successful at this level.
Yep, you can see it coming a mile off, starting with the totally overblown expectations.
Yea I never compared and never would compare him to ADM, two different cases, it's not the same type of 'not giving a feck' if you will. Memphis just needs to learn that you need to do much more off-ball here because he's not a sacred cow that's exempted from defensive duties.
He lacks paces at the top level. Maybe it is because he is too muscular, he obviously lifts and it affects his agility, get close to him and he going no where.
He arrogant and greedy and wants to be the star attraction. He loses the ball as much as any player I can remember and cost us the game last night with that stupid shot when we had a 4 on 2.
He arrogant and greedy and wants to be the star attraction. He loses the ball as much as any player I can remember and cost us the game last night with that stupid shot when we had a 4 on 2.
Sorry for this being my first post since Jesus died for our sins but I learned in 5th grade English that you say "is" after he/she/it. What happened to that?
Lifting doesn't mean he lacks pace. Most sprinters are physically impressive.
That's true, but I wouldn't mind betting sprinters have, relatively speaking, slower acceleration than they might have in favour of a higher top speed. In football you rarely, if ever, have to run 100m in a straight line; acceleration, change of pace and agility and all more important to a 'pacy' player than straight line speed.
You make a good point but the way I see it is that it really depends on the training the athlete has. Would it be better in terms of agility and acceleration if he had a slimmer frame, definitely yes. However I think most of his issues aren't even related to physical traits but more like footballing intelligence (knowing when to dribble, pass and shoot). Depay seems to be a stupid footballer at times.
I don't think sticking him in the reservs is an option. It would kill him.
You're underrating sprinters. Acceleration is about the most important thing in 100m, unless you are Bolt. The start and then up to 40m is the most critical part of the race.
The lack of effort is what concerns me, I think most of us said we needed to keep expectations in check given how poor the league he is coming from is. I expected the fact he knows LvG has no issue dropping anyone bar Rooney would see him take a look at the work Lingard and Pereira put in off the ball and try to match it, but it was more hands on hips style attitude.
Struggling to work out what's up with him. He's had moments of pure gold for us, like against Brugge and PSV - and yet majority of the time he's actually useless. I won't even dare writing him off yet as I'm sure his desire will shine through soon, but I just don't understand what's up with him. He's barely taking players on and his head just isn't working sometimes. He had two or three chances yesterday to do something significant, and yet he goes in slow motion and thinks he has more time than he actually does.
Clearly still settling in to the difficulty of the league.
Clearly still settling in to the difficulty of the league.
Im, actually shocked at how bad he is at beating players. He never lifts his head up to see what's around. The worrying thing for me is that those things take an awfully long time to learn if at all. I don't know how long his and Van Gaal's patience will last.
He's a very frustrating player. He's got some skills, yeah, but it's hard to predict whether he can get the most out of these skills in the future. We'll see. At this point he's just a worse copy of Nani really.
I dunno where these Nani comparisons come from, but he's nothing like Nani.
Inconsistent wingers arrived at roughly the same age.
Nani's biggest strength was dribbling, while Memphis can't/doesn't, but the weaknesses of early Nani and this Memphis are the same - bad decision making, too much shooting.
He's such a nothing player. Can anyone actually say what he's good at? He has half the talent that a 22 year old Nani did, its not even close. So I really don't get those comparisons.
Lingard is a better player as it stands. Comfortably at that too.
Lingard is a better player as it stands. Comfortably at that too.
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Your tagline is so fitting.
What about that post do you disagree with then?
I'm not saying he has performed all of this for us but for PSV he has shown he has pace, strength, trickery, skill, crossing technique, free-kick tekkers and clearly good finishing/shooting to end up top scorer in the league. Those 2 goals against Brugge were a tiny glimpse of what he can offer.
The lad is 21 and just moved to a monster club. Give him a chance.
Not everyone adapts to the PL as fast as Martial, give him another season or two before you say he is a nothing player.
He was shocking last night but I'm not going to write him off yet, like @NoLogo above me has said give him a couple of seasons before dismissing him completely.
He should be rightfully criticised at the moment but not written off completely. I'm willing to give him a season to settle in and improve. His attitude needs working on though.
Anyone got a gif of that 4vs2 counter moment?
He's been very disappointing by our early season expectations, but I still reckon I've seen enough to think he can turn it around in time. Whether or not he can be a world beater is another matter, but I do think he can be a very good player. I don't think he's remotely like Nani - shot power aside - but if he can reach a similar peak, I'll be relatively happy.
Statistically he's been fairly good as a 21 year old replacement for supposedly one of the best players in the world. He has more goals, and near enough as many assists as Di Maria did at this stage. And in an age where we constantly argue about the validity of stats, it's worth noting how most of his have been genuinely inspired moments of class, rather than statistical notches (the PSV & Southampton moments were as good, if not better than his flat track bullying of Brugge)
I don't completely buy the "confidence/tactical limitation" arguments for his form though. Neither can explain his continued willingness to take people on, or shoot widly from the halfway line, but his form is definitely in the red for whatever reason, and it'll take some very good man management to pull him out of it.
Statistically he's been fairly good as a 21 year old replacement for supposedly one of the best players in the world. He has more goals, and near enough as many assists as Di Maria did at this stage. And in an age where we constantly argue about the validity of stats, it's worth noting how most of his have been genuinely inspired moments of class, rather than statistical notches (the PSV & Southampton moments were as good, if not better than his flat track bullying of Brugge)
I don't completely buy the "confidence/tactical limitation" arguments for his form though. Neither can explain his continued willingness to take people on, or shoot widly from the halfway line, but his form is definitely in the red for whatever reason, and it'll take some very good man management to pull him out of it.
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So if he plays crap in first team and you dont play him in reserves. What do we do with him?
Dont know whats going on in his life,think he has all he needs to be a good player,up to him at the end,believe he will turn good for us,just needs time.
Make him captain.
This.
Plus his body language when he's dispossessed, whether you're 21, or 41, if you lose a ball, you better bust a gut tracking back to win it, not just throwing your arms in the air in disgust that the rules of the game allow tackling!
Also, I'm not 100% sure of this 'giving people time' ethos. Granted there should be a bedding in period, but if we gave average players 'a few years' then by law of average we would have a few players bedding in at any one time, therefore a few below-par players every season. Is it too much to ask for XI good footballers at any one time instead of an allowance for the 'giving time' bracket and the 'almost-leading-goalscorer-of-all-time-stealing-a-living-and-being-crap' brigade! By that rationale we should have 5/6 quality players on the go at once! Not good enough.
For some reason I found myself watching an old Evra video;
and I caught myself wondering how good Memphis could be if he attempted half the shite that Evra attempted in that video.
and I caught myself wondering how good Memphis could be if he attempted half the shite that Evra attempted in that video.
He has had very poor couple of months but this is ridiculous. We are in a rebuilding stage, and have acquired a couple of promising youngsters. We have no option to nurture them, and wait patiently till they become, hopefully, world class or somewhat. Its not like we have any established world class talent in the team already!
Over compensating.
His aim is to be a superstar, so is doing everything he can to be that number 7 superstar. Instead he should just play football with whatever gifts he's been born with and the stardom will either come or won't.
Ronaldo wanted to be the worlds best, but he worked and worked at it. I feel ol Memphis just believes it'll come to him naturally.
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