Price or wages have nothing to do with him being the future best left back in the world though. I think Jones had something with him but injuries killed his development. None was expecting much on Smalling though.
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He's a top class talent, one of the few defenders of his age who are actually worth their salt. For anyone to doubt a 21 year old left back plagued with injuries like himself is silly, his in mostly out of a destablized team, hes had an injury, new manager and what not and mos importantly he is still only 21. All these things points to reasons why it appears he may have not started the season in fine shape, but this is a guy whos beeen playing senior football since 17 and from what hes shown in his previous 3 seasons, including at Southampton being part of one of the best defences in the league is, he is a potential world class left back, even now in his malaise i can't think of a better left back his age anywhere in Europe, any club in Europe would be elated to have him.
I think he'd fetch a decent fee as he's still young and he's an English international. Minimum 20M in my opinion and that would be very cheap. Shaw has time on his side. He's still very young with high ceiling potential. Blind is a utility player and not a full time fullback but yes he does a job when called upon. In any case Shaw is not on higher wages than both. Blind makes more and Valencia gets the same weekly wages according to various sources. Let's not forget Shaw was in a rich vein of form before his leg injury at PSV and he was considered one of our best outfield players. You just need to look at his thread from last season.
Furthermore, Shaw would get into any of the top four teams at the moment. Liverpool have Milner as their main LB these days FFS. Monreal at Arsenal is not a better leftback than Shaw, he'd definitely have a shot there under Wenger. Guardiola would play him too in all honesty. He fits the project that City are working on. Young, high potential plus he's English. I can see Pep relishing the chance to work with him, mould him like he's doing Stones and Sterling, young English talent. His other options are aging, Kolarov and Clichy. You don't see Shaw fitting in there? Then there's Pochettino who highly rates Shaw and made him a regular at Southampton. He'd get games there in support of Rose and would eventually displace him IMO
I don't get what this has to do with the so called over paid culture. We are Manchester United and it comes with the territory. You could have easily said the same thing if you compared Chelsea players to Leicester City players last season. Teams and agents will always demand higher prices and wages when dealing with United. Did we have to buy these players? No. But the moment we get involved, every thing gets inflated. Relatively speaking, they are overpaid but when you reduce the size of the circle, they are earning wages that are expected with a club of our financial status.
I'm really disappointed with him. Get stuck in or get out.
I can't believe how shit his attitude is. No wonder him and Depay like to hang around.
I can't believe how shit his attitude is. No wonder him and Depay like to hang around.
This is completely groundless. Where are you using to come this conclusion that he has a shit attitude? Any actual quotes or are you suggesting that a request not to play because of discomfort from pain is a symptom of a 'shit attitude'?
Just stop it. Mourinho have given us all the info we need on this matter. Only a fool would ignore the facts. I'm not only talking about the unwillingness to play with pain - it's also his overweight. It's sickening that a player at Manchester United is not fully fit. The pain issue is probably not only restricted to games. The guy is what... 22? He looks like 37!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you know he is overweight? His appearance? Mourinho himself praised him for his hard work to get back to full fitness after his long injury layoff. LVG also praised him last season for working hard on his fitness. Where has Mourinho complained about his weight? Am I missing something? If so, please provide a source with actual quotes. Suggesting he looks 37 is casual ageism. You sound like an adolescent
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This is hilarious. I never got when people describe footballers as fat. They will most likely be around 12-13% body fat which is athletic. If this is true for his summer bod, the haters need to pipe down.
It's also straight after Euro 2016 though, isn't it?
What does that have to do with anything..?
So now that we know that Smalling is actually injured can we accept that maybe Shaw is too and that our manager is full of shit?
That he pretty much had to be in shape during the tournament and straight after it because he still was under training regime, whereas when he was on holidays he could have been not?
Not that I agree with Successful, mind.
Shaw did'nt go to the Euro's mate
Woops, knew something wrong, I stand corrected then, thank you.
As you were gentlemen.
Sorry mate but your not talking any sense here at all! What facts have you seen to suggest he is fat let alone overweight. It's embarrassing the lengths some fans go to put down a player off the back one sentence from a manager who looks like he is under pressure, known to overreact when his emotions and ego get in the way. Up until the presser, I bet you didn't believe that Says was overweight, did you?
Can you honestly say he looks like that now?
He's got a funny build for a bloke, more like a female shot putter. So if he steps off his training just a bit I can imagine him packing on a few pounds quickly.
I'm not saying he is overweight but at the same time I wouldn't put money on him not being.
No, I haven’t seen him without a shirt since, so no. I would imagine that he’s not in a worse condition than he was in late June though. Based on that picture, his body is built closer to a hockey player (more mass) than a footballer, so he could be leaner, but it could be that it’s his genome and there’s nothing he can do about it. In any case I think it’s very harsh to call him overweight/fat.
What makes you look at that photo and think "female"?
I guess having muscle in your chest area automatically means fat/tits for some
I didn't look at that photo and think female. He obviously looks good there.
However on the pitch the guy has some arse on him. He can certainly fill a pair of shorts. He's got a big chest on him as well.
It's just a different build to most blokes, he's very thick set and it's something he's going to need to keep on top of.
Right now he looks a bit heavy to me but it's clearly guesswork.
His body type reminds me of Roberto Carlos of Carles Puyol, the first footballers I can remember to have that kind of a high-mass build. #nohomo ps. You asked for it
Gotcha. Yeah, he does seem more pear than apple.
Out of curiosity, when Gordon Taylor said:
has there been any indication of what he was referring to?
I don't think anyone has a clue about what is going on. However, he talks about "management these days", as if it is a new thing. It was something seen in the very early days of Sir Alex Ferguson and it stemmed from there. Again, only to reiterate what I stated in another thread, when Sir Alex came down to manage us, he had a clear understanding of what we needed as a club. We were rich then and all players were enjoying the fruits of being rich and thanks to him, he managed to get rid of that culture and bring in new ideas. This has clearly been rubbed off on many other clubs since then. This is why the idea of a "manager being understanding", today is nothing new.
I've seen him play this season and he doesn't look anything like that. In his last game, he looked fat and that is what I saw with my own eyes.
Either that photo was taken at a different time or before he plays a game, he packs on extra fat.
I'll put it like this.
Di Maria is thin.
Pogba is athletic.
Memphis is (too) built.
Shaw is fat.
We already know that in his first season, he was too fat. LVG did not play him for this reason. Shaw also agreed that his fitness was poor.
In his second season, he was badly injured.
In his third season, he doesn't believe he is fit enough to play. And it does seem that from the Watford game onwards, he has been dire.
I do wonder if when he gets depressed (injured or berated by the manager), he turns to food. This would make sense.
I wish that he scores and does a Ronaldinho (was also called fat and wasn’t anything like that) and take his shirt off.
Goodness me! Luke Shaw was never fat and has never been fat as a professional. The kid is 6ft plus and is a big boned but he was not fat! The guy just has a body that is bigger than the average FB. LvG's message was lost in translation. He is big, not fat! Packing on fat? Turning to food from depression? This place!
With that in mind, it still didn't stop him winning the Golden Boy award (ok, it isn't much but it is an award for the most outstanding European teenager) won by the likes of Rooney, Messi, Isco, Fabregas, Pogba et al. Furthermore, he had limited time simply because Daley Blind played a great deal more than him. Perhaps LVG thought that he had an obligation to Blinds father. In any case, what happened in the next season could have happened to anyone. We are talking about a match in September and he gets a broken tibia/fibula and is out until April 2016. Since that episode, he has only played 900 minutes in all competition so, I think a great deal of empathy from all concerned, especially the manager we have and ourselves. He is only 21 years of age and he has years ahead of him. It is not as if he is 34 years of age now.
The state of some of the opinions in here, proper barmy.
Damn!!! I wish I was fat, just like Frank Lampard was. A player who played around 1,016 matches, scored 304 goals and also assisted another 165 goals. If being fat was a barrier to being successful, then those Sumo wrestlers are doing something wrong. If fat was a barrier to being successful, then Samo Hung has been doing it wrong all his life.
Exactly. Ever since Shaw signed for United there's been heaps of discussion about him being 'fat' and every season there's at least one photo of him topless showing it not the case.Goodness me! Luke Shaw was never fat and has never been fat as a professional. The kid is 6ft plus and is a big boned but he was not fat! The guy just has a body that is bigger than the average FB. LvG's message was lost in translation. He is big, not fat! Packing on fat? Turning to food from depression? This place!
I think it started with van Gaal saying he wasn't fit enough at the start of the 14/15 season and that somehow translated into stories about him being overweight. His physical condition last season before the injury was fantastic, how anyone is still latching on to that crap is truly beyond me.
I honestly can't believe anyone is suggesting we should sell him either.
The way we are reading this thread, it seems that most have given up on him. I mean, he is only 21 years of age so why don't we just give the guy a break. Also, if it goes against popular opinion on here, then so be it, but I would prefer to have someone like Shaw who is in top physical condition (according to his own opinion) rather than Blind. If he knows that he is not in good condition, then he will do something about it. All this speculation that he is out of condition because he is fat and is about as factually correct as the Daily Mail.
There seems to be some confusion. I and a is not the same letter.
Not being fit enough doesn't mean that he's fat. He's perfectly fine. He hasn't hit his top form yet this season, but we all know his abilities and potential. Give the lad a bit of time.
Because Mourinho called him out last week. He was the best LB in the league and the one with most potential a week back according to most, but now that Mourinho has called him out, he's become fat, average, a food craving pig etc. It's mental how fickle fans are and this is why I want Mourinho to keep things in house and not have a go in public. Barely takes anything to turn fans nowadays.
Caf can create all kinds of shit, with or without Jose' opening his mouth.
I am amazed how some people see the world.
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