That's true, that passion and character he has has been great for Real. But maybe even someone like Nacho is better pure defensively,underrated player that.Pepe is indeed the superior defender (one of the best I've seen personally) and Real do concede a fair few, but I think Ramos' defending is a bit underrated these days. Often they're playing very attacking and Ramos is sat on the half way line, so he has to defend from there and I feel he does it very well. When they're camped inside their own half like they were when they played the Barcelona of a couple years back, he's not Vidic or Pepe level but he's still pretty good. What you get with him though is though when you're trying to break down teams he can effectively become an extra midfielder as he's got very good technical ball ability and can pass well. And then obviously his reputation for last minute headers from corners.
Would loved to have had him in our team personally. I always remember that game against Barca where they lost 5-0 and he got sent off for a tackle against Messi, and then fought with Pique, Puyol and Xavi. A lot of people though he was crazy, but I thought it showed he gave a shit and wasn't willing to take a drubbing meekly. Those sort of passionate players elevate teams.
He was rash and constantly out of position. Absolutely awful. Jones was nearly as bad. Collectively, they cost us the win today.Jones was worse... thought he did ok-ish apart from the goal he gave them..
AgreeHe was rash and constantly out of position. Absolutely awful. Jones was nearly as bad. Collectively, they cost us the win today.
What was Jones thinking there. Did he thought to fly and intercept the pass. Baily was poor here but Jones should read the game better. He has his moments both good and bad but when it is bad he (Jones)looks pretty idiotic.
Jones was terrible overall but what is him related to this goal ? It's obviously Darmian and Bailly fault, Darmian for not covering his side and Bailly for fecking up the offside trap. Jones isn't supposed to do anything here. He can be blamed for the second goal but not this.What was Jones thinking there. Did he thought to fly and intercept the pass. Baily was poor here but Jones should read the game better. He has his moments both good and bad but when it is bad he (Jones)looks pretty idiotic.
What was Jones thinking there. Did he thought to fly and intercept the pass. Baily was poor here but Jones should read the game better. He has his moments both good and bad but when it is bad he (Jones)looks pretty idiotic.
I place zero blame on Darmian. He's stepping up like he should do. Jones steps into Matić's territory with zero threats in sight. Bailly lazily strolls, if even.Jones was terrible overall but what is him related to this goal ? It's obviously Darmian and Bailly fault, Darmian for not covering his side and Bailly for fecking up the offside trap. Jones isn't supposed to do anything here. He can be blamed for the second goal but not this.
Even if Jones stayed back he wouldn't have been related to the ball at all. Bailly fecked up the offside trap then failed to mark his man well. I don't know what Jones would have done here to prevent this goal from entering. If you want to blame one of the two then it's definitely Bailly.I place zero blame on Darmian. He's stepping up like she should do. Jones steps into Matić's territory with zero threats in sight. Bailly lazily strolls, if even.
Bailly and Jones should be closer together and in line with Valencia. Comedy stuff.
It's not a matter of blaming Jones, it's a question of wtf he was hoping to achieve by evacuating his position to press a shadow.Even if Jones stayed back he wouldn't have been related to the ball at all. Bailly fecked up the offside trap then failed to mark his man well. I don't know what Jones would have done here to prevent this goal from entering. If you want to blame one of the two then it's definitely Bailly.
I agree mate, Nacho is a brilliant defender and probably should play ahead of Ramos, but it's Sergio's personality, reputation and impact in the opposition box that sees him start.That's true, that passion and character he has has been great for Real. But maybe even someone like Nacho is better pure defensively,underrated player that.
Darmian should have first covered his man on the flank before we can ask Jones to cover for Darmian himself.It's not a matter of blaming Jones, it's a question of wtf he was hoping to achieve by evacuating his position to press a shadow.
Bailly is clearly at fault, but Jones might have been able to cover for Darmian or blocked the cross had he stayed in his position. A better chance at least.
Really poor between the two of them. Zero communication.
That all depends on whether Mourinho wanted the full-backs to man mark or not. They took inside, so it would seem like he doesn't.Darmian should have first covered his man on the flank before we can ask Jones to cover for Darmian himself.
I agree his positioning overall was poor but he wouldn't have done much to prevent this goal anyway.
We can look at this goal from 2 perspective, the first one is the defense was crap and Stoke surprised them, thus Darmian and Bailly will be at the major fault here, Darmian didn't cover his man on the flank and Bailly didn't cover his main in the box. Jones could have provided more cover or got the cross out but he's not the major problem. It was Darmian and Bailly who lost their men completely. Jones will be blamed for the poor positioning out of the box but not the one directly causing this goal to happen.That all depends on whether Mourinho wanted the full-backs to man mark or not. They took inside, so it would seem like he doesn't.
If you watch the goal again, Jones does get back into a defensive position, but he doesn't attempt to cut off the near post. That is where he might have been able to cut out the cross before it reached the goalscorer.
Valencia isn't man marking either, so that points to a compact back four tactic. I blame Bailly and then Jones. You could say that Darmian might have blocked the cross better, but Fletcher's ball takes him out of the game initially. All made possible by Bailly.
Ok jones was not perfectly positioned but it was not his fault fo the goal there was little he could do. The idiot No 3 Is Pogba here who was so deep and failed to press effectively to deny fletcher time and space to make that pass in the first place. he is the second line of defense here.
Pogba could maybe have gotten to him a little quicker, but his positioning is basically cutting off the pass to the player closest to Rashford.Ok jones was not perfectly positioned but it was not his fault fo the goal there was little he could do. The idiot No 3 Is Pogba here who was so deep and failed to press effectively to deny fletcher time and space to make that pass in the first place. he is the second line of defense here.
But He was in no position to intercept both the the passes, i have seen the video, the most effective way was to stay closer to fletcher in the first place and press effectively so that he is forced to pass it backwards or sideways or loose the posession.Pogba could maybe have gotten to him a little quicker, but his positioning is basically cutting off the pass to the player closest to Rashford.
There were two passes on. The easy pass out to Zouma (top right), and the long diagonal out to Diouf. This wouldn't have been possible had Bailly stepped up.
It was a great pass by Fletcher. But could have been avoided.
Are you sure you understood the situation? Matic stayed with defender. Herrera was pressing. Pogba was there holding the midfield with Shaqiri initial free until Rashford got back and Pogba went pressing Fletch. If Pogba was stay close to Fletch in the first place, then Shaqiri would be free in the central for a easy pass from Allen, let alone Fletch.But He was in no position to intercept both the the passes, i have seen the video, the most effective way was to stay closer to fletcher in the first place and press effectively so that he is forced to pass it backwards or sideways or loose the posession.
Smalling's definitely got an opportunity to displace Bailly now.Probably the reason we didn't win - along with Jones. Really poor performance from both. If Smalling plays well in midweek I'd expect him to displace one of them.
Bailly obviously had to travel longer distances in the international break but both played two full games in that time too. From what Mourinho was saying Jones probably isn't in peak fitness either so you have to afford them the same leeway.Mourinho said he got back to the squad the day before the game, so I think he understands why he wasn't switched on. Jones has no such excuse.
Same with the reaction to his good games. Going OTT in both directions is the norm on any football forum.Wow the reaction to one bad performance is strong here. Should we release him from his contract already along with Lindelöf?
He mentioned them both. Baily arrived late and Jones played two full games despite not being 100%. In hindsight, Smalling should have come in for one of them.Mourinho said he got back to the squad the day before the game, so I think he understands why he wasn't switched on. Jones has no such excuse.
Well I'm sorry to tell you, that its going to happen again. Players make mistakes because they are human. Better players make less mistakes than worse players, but they all make mistakes. Bailly will be fine.Probably his worst ever game for us. Okay the international fixtures had an effect but this can't happen again.