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Are you saying that New Labour did not invest in job creation ?
No, I'm saying that didn't focus their efforts in the areas which needed it and made regional inequality worse rather than better. New Labour's economic policy focussed on creating jobs in relatively rich areas like London and the bigger regional cities and ignoring the rest of the country on the grounds that by investing in education in those poorer areas they'd be giving people a "fair" chance of getting out. That approach led to all but a couple of the people I was in Sixth Form with leaving for good after school, whilst the folks who didn't make it to Sixth Form, or who had family responsibilities and couldn't leave, were left behind with few prospects.

Statistics show the trend pretty clearly between 1997 and 2006. The beneficiaries of New Labour's economic policies were London, Manchester, Bristol, Cardiff, Leeds, Newcastle and the North London commuter belt. Outside of those cities, almost everywhere got poorer, particularly already deprived areas like County Durham/Teeside, East Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Lincolnshire, and the Welsh valleys.

edit: I would suspect that if you made a map showing all areas which got poorer between 1997 and 2006, you'd have an almost exact map of the areas which everyone was shocked voted for Brexit in 2016.
 
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No, I'm saying that didn't focus their efforts in the areas which needed it and made regional inequality worse rather than better. New Labour's economic policy focussed on creating jobs in relatively rich areas like London and the bigger regional cities and ignoring the rest of the country on the grounds that by investing in education in those poorer areas they'd be giving people a "fair" chance of getting out. That approach led to all but a couple of the people I was in Sixth Form with leaving for good after school, whilst the folks who didn't make it to Sixth Form, or who had family responsibilities and couldn't leave, were left behind with few prospects.

Statistics show the trend pretty clearly between 1997 and 2006. The beneficiaries of New Labour's economic policies were London, Manchester, Bristol, Cardiff, Leeds, Newcastle and the North London commuter belt. Outside of those cities, almost everywhere got poorer, particularly already deprived areas like County Durham/Teeside, East Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Lincolnshire, and the Welsh valleys.

edit: I would suspect that if you made a map showing all areas which got poorer between 1997 and 2006, you'd have an almost exact map of the areas which everyone was shocked voted for Brexit in 2016.
Understood and thank you for this. I guess living in Bristol, I hadn't noticed the inequality you have mentioned.
 

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I agree, they did do something, but it was equivalent to 'polishing the hood' and 'inflating the tyres', it did nothing about the things that make/should make the Education system an equal playing field. Even ignoring the existence of public schools (with charitable status) only being really available to the rich, or occasionally some extremely talented youngster from a 'sink' estate. The state system was given a 'lick of paint' and a bit of 'academy' type upgrades in achievement levels, by Labour, but no fundamental policies or new laws to demand and ensure every state school has the very best management, staffing and resources wherever it exists in the country.



It's not about judging the Tory Party, their 'leading lights' have no real feeling or time for state education, it's not where most Tory kids go, and they will pay lip service only. Labour should under Blair, and I admit he did make some minor changes (in the overall context), have bridged the chasm between state and private education once and for all in a way that would have changed the education system and the life of millions of ordinary folks for decades to come; and incidentally laid the foundations for economic growth.

This next Labour government needs to rid itself of those who pay lip service to improved State Education systems and buckle down to it, re-organise funding to ensure State Education gets the best. This does not mean closing private schools, it means shifting the balance positively and permanently and this means every Labour MP sending their children to State Schools, to show they mean it.
Labour invested heavily in education. Every school in my area got a massive overhaul, new buildings, facilities, equipment. Schools that had seen nothing whilst I was there (80s and early 90s).

Your argument is that Labour didn't do enough vs 12 years of Tory rule that has defended and fecked over the state school system? Really?
 

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Labour invested heavily in education. Every school in my area got a massive overhaul, new buildings, facilities, equipment. Schools that had seen nothing whilst I was there (80s and early 90s).

Your argument is that Labour didn't do enough vs 12 years of Tory rule that has defended and fecked over the state school system? Really?
That is my take as well. The school that my children went to was given a massive upgrade to all departments and was highly impressive.
But since then, very little has been done to it.

On a separate note, the Labour government of the time set in place standards for the NHS such as waiting times, which have never since been equalled.
 

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I hope Mone crashes and burns, yes she's literally taken money out of my pocket and taken it offshore, but also she was a fecking self-righteous knob on LinkedIn, and cause a lot of blokes wanted to shag her she was always popping up on my feed.
 

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I hope Mone crashes and burns, yes she's literally taken money out of my pocket and taken it offshore, but also she was a fecking self-righteous knob on LinkedIn, and cause a lot of blokes wanted to shag her she was always popping up on my feed.
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Labour invested heavily in education. Every school in my area got a massive overhaul, new buildings, facilities, equipment. Schools that had seen nothing whilst I was there (80s and early 90s).

Your argument is that Labour didn't do enough vs 12 years of Tory rule that has defended and fecked over the state school system? Really?
No, not really? What Labour failed to do, when they had the opportunity, was change the system that allowed for 12 years of follow on Tory rule to allow leakage/fecklessness to again invade an education system that should be the way out for the majority of our kids. They needed to seriously update the baseline of the Education Act, that ensured appropriate investment at defined levels, they needed to have switched the levels of funding post 16, so that most of the money invested goes to where most of the students are, which is in Further Education, not Higher education. For many years the percentage of post 16 students studying at FE level, was around 67% of the total, but FE only received around 33% of post 16 funding from central government.

From the early 70's attempts were made to provide a 14 to 19 tertiary system, which would link vocational and academic objectives and be available to all. However Labour (when it had chance) shied away from enforcing this, because it cut across to many cherished education boundaries pre and post 16. Instead it tried to load HE with students who were enticed on to low-level achieving degrees, some even referred to as 'mickey mouse' degrees. This led to students having to repay for years hence, student loans/fees for the privileged of studying on courses of no real intrinsic value nor of value/ currency to their future careers.

Bricks and mortar, pens and pencils, a few IT extras, yes Labour did all that, but they didn't change what the Education for all, free at the point of delivery, should be about that is providing well educated people with a thirst for learning how to learn; who gain their independence in future life through their ability to continue to know and want to learn all through their lives.

That is my argument.
 

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I hope Mone crashes and burns, yes she's literally taken money out of my pocket and taken it offshore, but also she was a fecking self-righteous knob on LinkedIn, and cause a lot of blokes wanted to shag her she was always popping up on my feed.
I had the misfortune of hearing her give a speech at a young entrepreneurs event over a decade ago. She literally skipped on to the stage and gave a "dumb" performance filled with flirty lines and giggles to a bunch of teens and early-20s students. It was fecking bizarre. She mentioned her boobs more than she referenced how she grew her business, which considering how successful she's been you'd think she'd prefer to showcase that especially in a room that had a lot of young women in it. But, no, look at me tits hehehehe.

This was the same event that Alastair Campbell managed to turn a hateful crowd into putty in his hands after about thirty seconds of talking.
 

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Labour invested heavily in education. Every school in my area got a massive overhaul, new buildings, facilities, equipment. Schools that had seen nothing whilst I was there (80s and early 90s).

Your argument is that Labour didn't do enough vs 12 years of Tory rule that has defended and fecked over the state school system? Really?
And it's all coming to a tipping point. We've got teachers on wide scale strikes up here, which if I'm honest I don't agree with because from experience their unions are back stabbing, melodramatic cnuts but I also don't blame them for thinking "enough".
 

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Can always rely on stilts to forget something as basic as the fact that public sector workers taxes too!
 

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How are people in similar situations going to survive the next 2-3 months. Honestly atm I don't see any improvement after winter. Food prices are highs as well as everything else. And that cnut chancellor is lecturing the public to make sacrifices.
 

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How are people in similar situations going to survive the next 2-3 months. Honestly atm I don't see any improvement after winter. Food prices are highs as well as everything else. And that cnut chancellor is lecturing the public to make sacrifices.
Difficult decisions. Putin's War. The last Labour government. Immigrants.
 

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The country / politicians had a choice, the energy companies vast profits could've been used to properly control fuel prices. But they chose not to. Now millions will suffer. And the boat people will be blamed. Feck all tories and those who vote for them.
 

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How are people in similar situations going to survive the next 2-3 months. Honestly atm I don't see any improvement after winter. Food prices are highs as well as everything else. And that cnut chancellor is lecturing the public to make sacrifices.
Stuff like this is so depressing. Saw something similar of a guy (on LinkedIn) who said he's gone through his savings and used all his credit cards but he'll be homeless from the end of the month as he can't afford the bills and rent. Disabled guy who was recently let go from his job and will start sleeping in his car.
 

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And it's all coming to a tipping point. We've got teachers on wide scale strikes up here, which if I'm honest I don't agree with because from experience their unions are back stabbing, melodramatic cnuts but I also don't blame them for thinking "enough".
I know what you mean about the unions, but what other choice is there?
 

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How are people in similar situations going to survive the next 2-3 months. Honestly atm I don't see any improvement after winter. Food prices are highs as well as everything else. And that cnut chancellor is lecturing the public to make sacrifices.
Yeah, it's fecked. We have savings so are lucky (despite that being for a house) so if it gets bad we have something to rely on but without that we would be struggling. Went into a charity shop yesterday to pick up some gifts/clothes for christmas presents and even they've shot right up. Used to barely see anything over a fiver but the majority of items were ~£8+ now.
 

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I know what you mean about the unions, but what other choice is there?
Like I said my problem isn't the lack of options left for the unions and their decision to strike, since it's all that's left, it's their previous shenanigans that have left a sour taste in my mouth alongside folk I know in professional service unions. Can't do anything about that personally though and I'm wearing a Santa hat this morning so it's time to let go of the hate.
 

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Haven’t got a clue, just thought the claim was noteworthy.
Yeah I think he's just a twitter rando talking shite. The new boss of Unite commissioned two separate reports into the dealings of her predecessor, which have now been completed and Unite themselves have chosen to send them to the police given what they've found. At best I think we'll be looking at large scale incompetence and bad governance, could easily be that they've uncovered actual fraud.
 

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Yeah I think he's just a twitter rando talking shite. The new boss of Unite commissioned two separate reports into the dealings of her predecessor, which have now been completed and Unite themselves have chosen to send them to the police given what they've found. At best I think we'll be looking at large scale incompetence and bad governance, could easily be that they've uncovered actual fraud.
That’s sort of what the tweet I posted is saying though? The Union isn’t at criminal blame here, they’re effectively the victim.
 

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That’s sort of what the tweet I posted is saying though? The Union isn’t at criminal blame here, they’re effectively the victim.
We'll wait and see what the reports say I suppose, but I don't think that's what the Sky report is suggesting.